Are UK companies allowed to offer visa sponsorships if there isn’t a skill shortage?

[sreed]

I don't think for a moment immigration over the last 14 years is an attempt to increase diversity. Foreign students more or less bankroll Higher Education now and anyone coming here to work has done so because business have given the impression they can't fill the role with anyone from this country (or more likely didn't want to pay someone the going wage to do it).

Immigration isn't a liberal masterplan. It is, like most things, driven by money.

I don’t disagree with the gist of your post. Even so, post Brexit, none of this would have happened in these volumes without the govt making a deliberate choice to make it easy to import millions of immigrants from poor countries from across the world.

The end result is the same, rubbing our noses in diversity, tons of it, while continually promising the opposite.

[edison]

The NHS are easily the most liberal visa sponsor among public sector employers. Over the past few years, they’ve been given a huge amount of flexibility to use as they please.

If you look at their job listings, only a small minority of roles don’t have the above CoS statement.

At least what you’ve shared is a skilled role. A bog standard Finance Officer role in an NHS trust, paying around 30k also says that they offer CoS. And that too in outer London!

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/candidate/jo...uage=&page=282

That's terrible. They are saying a degree and part completed accountancy qualification is desirable. It takes about 2-3 years to do the ACCA accountancy qualification. I wonder how many UK graduates with large student debts could afford to take such a job on £28k whilst also studying to be an accountant?

[GJABS]

That said I've seen a ton of 500 quid inside gigs in London, christ knows who is taking those but people do.

500 quid is not an uncommon market rate though.

[SueEllen]

That's terrible. They are saying a degree and part completed accountancy qualification is desirable. It takes about 2-3 years to do the ACCA accountancy qualification. I wonder how many UK graduates with large student debts could afford to take such a job on £28k whilst also studying to be an accountant?

UK graduates can "afford" to do if they live at home with their parents or another relative.

Have you missed the headlines in the past few months? 40% of those between 18 and 34 live with parents which is the highest proportion for decades. Previously most of those 18-34 lived in a couple with a child. (Being in London if anyone I know in that age group doesn't want to live with parents/other relative they have to live elsewhere in the country.)

Anyway one of the biggest problems in the UK is wage stagnation.

[sadkingbilly]

Totally agree: Tax the elderly if they live in a house with more bedrooms than people living there, or put them into accommodation that frees up housing for younger people who want to work but can't afford to live because of the housing situation.

and what size is your house then?
are you over 30 years old?

[escapeUK]

and what size is your house then?
are you over 30 years old?

Lots of older people want smaller houses and especially bungalows. A country run by wise leaders would make this transition easy for them and rewarding. Give them 5 years council tax for free (paid from buyers stamp duty) and run some adverts about using some of the equity on a cruise of a lifetime and they would lap it up. Why does everything have to be a fine?

[sadkingbilly]

Lots of older people want smaller houses and especially bungalows. A country run by wise leaders would make this transition easy for them and rewarding. Give them 5 years council tax for free (paid from buyers stamp duty) and run some adverts about using some of the equity on a cruise of a lifetime and they would lap it up. Why does everything have to be a fine?

FRO! - i'll live where i bloody like (and can afford) and you couldn't PAY me to set foot on a floating apartment block full of tossers.

[hungry_hog]

it's almost as if Senior Members of HMG have a connection with some of the large consultancies that are outsourced to..

[Cookielove]

I don't think for a moment immigration over the last 14 years is an attempt to increase diversity. Foreign students more or less bankroll Higher Education now and anyone coming here to work has done so because business have given the impression they can't fill the role with anyone from this country (or more likely didn't want to pay someone the going wage to do it).

Immigration isn't a liberal masterplan. It is, like most things, driven by money.

It’s wholly driven by money and to keep wages down. Started with Blair opening the floodgates with Europe and has carried on the last 25 years…we have allowed mass immigration from poorer countries and it’s had a huge detrimental effect on Brits and finding work/housing.
I worked near Victoria station back then and bus loads of Eastern Europeans arrived non stop.
On top of that so many here from India, Sudan, Nigeria and that’s been allowed by Tories…we are sunk …it’s gone unchecked for so long …what can we do ?

Added to this we’ve had the Ukrainians and in my area lot of Chinese in last year or so it’s hugely noticeable…
So much competition for jobs and lots of these groups will work for much smaller wages …wages driven down …

It’s a mess and I’m fearful for the future …

[CoolCat]

The outsourcers can bring anyone with any skill in on an Intra Company Transfer Visa. This class of visa was originally invented for people who have unique knowledge and skills in that particular companies specialist products. The visa is nowadays used for any old generic skill. This is the visa most often used to bring in Indian nationals. The outsourcers can then subcontract that worker into any other British company, and usually for far less than it costs to hire a local. So many big companies have done mass replacement of British workforces with Indian nationals this way. BT and GSK are two classic examples. The Indian national gets to bring their family in, their kids get free education, and NHS picks up the tab for any pre existing medical conditions. They typically move onto indefinite leave to remain after a few years working here, and can get a British passport a few years after than. This route to British citizenship has been used by hundreds of thousands of Indian nationals, and their families. The route is supposed to be closed now, but its not, as in practise anyone who has kids will never be deported from here, and they routinely get allowed to stay.

And its worse than that because they are given massive tax perks to help them undercut locals.