Evening all, currently in contract elsewhere, contract ends next Friday by mutual agreement but current client happy if I leave earlier as migration completed 6 weeks early. (Infact contract ends in 4 weeks but as a support/migration/SME consultant in my field we (another SME contractor) streamlined their processes and completed the migration far earlier than budgeted and date projected)
Currently on a day rate and tieing up lose ends and these are negligible, in some ways we are providing BAU support. Any residual support issues surrounding the migration are more about employees way of working and the change between on premise and cloud based.
Current client allowed me to attend interview last week for similar role, paid which was nice, after interview confirmed last Friday that I was the approved candidate, pending contract exchange between agency and client. T'Was said that I was the only candidate sent by my agency (Namely Agency A here) and that the client wants me "although alluded to but not said, but also said it is pending contracts between agency and client and the agency only sent me as a candidate, so whereby they are asking new contracts between my agency and client and that I was the only consultant sent, I must have secured it"
Heard nothing Mon, Tues this week but got a call this a.m saying that the role has been pulled due to budget approval and project freeze - not a problem, seasoned contractor, contractor of 13 years, has happened before but only a couple of times..... Then see on jobboards today, the same role advertised.....first at approx 11am, second about midday.
I do not normally do this although seen it advocated before on here but was both perplexed and pissed, I emailed the interviewing director, Apologising for the informal approach of my email, but I was doing so in order to elicit any feedback from the said interview yet dropping into the mix the "mixed messages" from my original agency reps I had received, especially considering they canned the role because of a project and budget freeze, yet I had seen the same role advertised by now by 2 agencies. The key thing for me is one main skill in my realm is not a norm skill and very unique and occasionally sought after, hence why the 2 new agency job adverts rang bells for me and also pretty much confirmed for me that it was the same role I interviewed for.
So based on being told of the project and finance freeze by initial agency and thats why I was chosen candidate as they said last Friday but now why not ging ahead, eve though chosen candidate, i would have let it go, but the 2 carbon copy adverts with unique skill identifier advertised today, something was not right,. I therefore called the new agency, explaining the scenario, they were a bit cagey over revealing client name, prob in the same way they never tell us. At the same moment the director who interviewed me last week responded to my email and asked me to call him as he doesn't have my contact details.
Like I said I wouldn't normally email the ones that interviewed me, I normally get off the bench within a week 2 at most but here I thought I was being turned by an agency and truth was the equivalent ofan episode of Judge Rinder, who aint even a ******* recorder, let alone a judge. It is principal now for me.. He explained he wants me, wanted me to start 3 days ago, but the agency I am with are only PSL for permies and their contractor contracts are not acceptable because they demand the contracts are payments of 7 day terms. (I agree which corp now does less than 14 days esp big corps )
One thing i noticed during comms with agency was they seemed to be one man band orientated, and a weekly invoice payment terms as I was told pretty much confirmed it for me. Thing is he would not budge as the director said and HR & Finance wouldnt so no contract between him and client yet I am to lose out, what is worse IMHO is his waffle they are no longer employing due to a duplicate freeze when I was told the extreme opposite in the F"F interview.
My question/opinion required/legalities on this scenario is this..... The interviewing director replied to my email asking me to call him back. He explained the agency I was with and repp'd by for interview are only on the PSL for permy positions only, not contractors due to payment terms they dictate and cannot agree on.
The director wants me and said I was not only a strong candidate, but passed all 30 tech questions covering all products (first in their history), scored highest on their competency questions in the 3 years he has been there and wanted me to start last Monday (This week). He asked if wanted to work there, I responded positively, he then said I excelled above all else, not just tech wise but team fit, aware of their field and expected processes, his words "A Glove fit who I will probably have to argue with you and the finance director at the end of your contract to keep you on and turn you perm, I know agreeing the salary with the finance director will be the easiest part and converting you the most difficult - that is of course you meet the high expectations I have set you already!!"
So I spoke to one of the "NEW" agency who advertised this role today as briefly mentioned earlier. In total it was advertised by 3 agencies all in all and all 3 were and are major agencies we all know. I engaged one as said earlier, explained the scenario. Dont normally email interviewer or press the agency but this didnt feel right. She called back and confirmed it was same client, went into detail what happened, explained spoke to client and they want me and today have left it with them. Interviewing director finished call saying, who you with now agency wise, I'll speak to them this afternoon and come back to you.
Sorry I digressed earlier, when said this is my question, so question is....although repp'd by first agency, am I right in thinking (always thought this unless changed last 13 years) that because first agency are not on the PSL for contractors, I was never repp'd by them and that I can be repp'd by the agency on the PSL as the PSL agency have a contract already in place.
Secondary question is: Is the law clear cut on this, dont want the new agency (sorry agents in my experience cant even recruit roles properly let alone law) or director panicking over intro fees or similar.
The original agency who reppd me have no call on introduction to client, finders fees etc if I went with another agency as o original contract existed between them and client in the first place.
The last two paras is how I understand it and reminded the new agency.
Oh yeah PS: Original agency who reppe'd with ought a contract in place were £375 Per day. If I am right and can go with new advertising agency, they have confirmed a day rate of £430. So it seems they were ******* me twice over. Although granted was happy to work for £375.
TIA, just this role effectively next door where I live, and project 12 months plus, not a boom but a BADA BOOM if secured
Currently on a day rate and tieing up lose ends and these are negligible, in some ways we are providing BAU support. Any residual support issues surrounding the migration are more about employees way of working and the change between on premise and cloud based.
Current client allowed me to attend interview last week for similar role, paid which was nice, after interview confirmed last Friday that I was the approved candidate, pending contract exchange between agency and client. T'Was said that I was the only candidate sent by my agency (Namely Agency A here) and that the client wants me "although alluded to but not said, but also said it is pending contracts between agency and client and the agency only sent me as a candidate, so whereby they are asking new contracts between my agency and client and that I was the only consultant sent, I must have secured it"
Heard nothing Mon, Tues this week but got a call this a.m saying that the role has been pulled due to budget approval and project freeze - not a problem, seasoned contractor, contractor of 13 years, has happened before but only a couple of times..... Then see on jobboards today, the same role advertised.....first at approx 11am, second about midday.
I do not normally do this although seen it advocated before on here but was both perplexed and pissed, I emailed the interviewing director, Apologising for the informal approach of my email, but I was doing so in order to elicit any feedback from the said interview yet dropping into the mix the "mixed messages" from my original agency reps I had received, especially considering they canned the role because of a project and budget freeze, yet I had seen the same role advertised by now by 2 agencies. The key thing for me is one main skill in my realm is not a norm skill and very unique and occasionally sought after, hence why the 2 new agency job adverts rang bells for me and also pretty much confirmed for me that it was the same role I interviewed for.
So based on being told of the project and finance freeze by initial agency and thats why I was chosen candidate as they said last Friday but now why not ging ahead, eve though chosen candidate, i would have let it go, but the 2 carbon copy adverts with unique skill identifier advertised today, something was not right,. I therefore called the new agency, explaining the scenario, they were a bit cagey over revealing client name, prob in the same way they never tell us. At the same moment the director who interviewed me last week responded to my email and asked me to call him as he doesn't have my contact details.
Like I said I wouldn't normally email the ones that interviewed me, I normally get off the bench within a week 2 at most but here I thought I was being turned by an agency and truth was the equivalent ofan episode of Judge Rinder, who aint even a ******* recorder, let alone a judge. It is principal now for me.. He explained he wants me, wanted me to start 3 days ago, but the agency I am with are only PSL for permies and their contractor contracts are not acceptable because they demand the contracts are payments of 7 day terms. (I agree which corp now does less than 14 days esp big corps )
One thing i noticed during comms with agency was they seemed to be one man band orientated, and a weekly invoice payment terms as I was told pretty much confirmed it for me. Thing is he would not budge as the director said and HR & Finance wouldnt so no contract between him and client yet I am to lose out, what is worse IMHO is his waffle they are no longer employing due to a duplicate freeze when I was told the extreme opposite in the F"F interview.
My question/opinion required/legalities on this scenario is this..... The interviewing director replied to my email asking me to call him back. He explained the agency I was with and repp'd by for interview are only on the PSL for permy positions only, not contractors due to payment terms they dictate and cannot agree on.
The director wants me and said I was not only a strong candidate, but passed all 30 tech questions covering all products (first in their history), scored highest on their competency questions in the 3 years he has been there and wanted me to start last Monday (This week). He asked if wanted to work there, I responded positively, he then said I excelled above all else, not just tech wise but team fit, aware of their field and expected processes, his words "A Glove fit who I will probably have to argue with you and the finance director at the end of your contract to keep you on and turn you perm, I know agreeing the salary with the finance director will be the easiest part and converting you the most difficult - that is of course you meet the high expectations I have set you already!!"
So I spoke to one of the "NEW" agency who advertised this role today as briefly mentioned earlier. In total it was advertised by 3 agencies all in all and all 3 were and are major agencies we all know. I engaged one as said earlier, explained the scenario. Dont normally email interviewer or press the agency but this didnt feel right. She called back and confirmed it was same client, went into detail what happened, explained spoke to client and they want me and today have left it with them. Interviewing director finished call saying, who you with now agency wise, I'll speak to them this afternoon and come back to you.
Sorry I digressed earlier, when said this is my question, so question is....although repp'd by first agency, am I right in thinking (always thought this unless changed last 13 years) that because first agency are not on the PSL for contractors, I was never repp'd by them and that I can be repp'd by the agency on the PSL as the PSL agency have a contract already in place.
Secondary question is: Is the law clear cut on this, dont want the new agency (sorry agents in my experience cant even recruit roles properly let alone law) or director panicking over intro fees or similar.
The original agency who reppd me have no call on introduction to client, finders fees etc if I went with another agency as o original contract existed between them and client in the first place.
The last two paras is how I understand it and reminded the new agency.
Oh yeah PS: Original agency who reppe'd with ought a contract in place were £375 Per day. If I am right and can go with new advertising agency, they have confirmed a day rate of £430. So it seems they were ******* me twice over. Although granted was happy to work for £375.
TIA, just this role effectively next door where I live, and project 12 months plus, not a boom but a BADA BOOM if secured
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