State of the Market

[sadkingbilly]

see above

[Snooky]

We all know I've spent two decades working on a one-line macro

And you still haven't finished it?

[edison]

I agree with all of this but the point in bold is the most important.

I've been benched for just under 3 months and will be starting the permie job bang on the 3 month mark.

My experience has been that I've had a number of interviews now, which I feel lucky to have even had, given some of the stories on here. Observations this time around:

• Multi-stage interviews are now very much the norm. For contracts. FFS, really?
• Coding tests are now pretty standard.
• Even if you get to the last stage when it's meant to be just to meet the team, believe nothing until you get the paperwork.

On the last point, as used to be advised on here, don't stop looking until the first invoice has been paid. Probably good advice.

While I could have survived another 12 months or so waiting for a contract to materialise, I just didn't see it as being financially viable. I don't want to unnecessarily deplete the warchest if I don't have to.

I may well be back on here in a few months with a different story because I just couldn't face permiedom. I hope I'm wrong and will do what's right so stick it out for my family first and foremost.

Back in the early to mid-2010s, I had a couple of contracts that required 3-4 stages of interviews, as many as any perm job I've gone for.

Luckily I got both and it's only been one interview in four of my last five roles.

End clients honestly don't seem to be too sure half the time what they want, hence multiple stages.

[Cookielove]

New Visas are not part of the discussions, according to Starmer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wdzryk477o



Indians who have come over on work visas or British-born brown people? How do you know, did you ask them?

Oh yes Starmer the "king of u turns" I give you...benefit cuts, the grooming gangs inquiry, winter fuel payment, NI, International aid, gender.

His word means nada he changes his mind like the wind.

Probably a mix - they were Indian.

Ethnicity is a ancestry/race/culture not where you are born, a dog can be born in a stable but it is still a dog not a horse.

It is protectionism once they are in charge "diversity" goes out the window, staff, security, management all Indian by a country mile. No youngsters are getting a look in it is being discussed on a few parent/student groups as it is so noticeable and not just in Primark. Indians must be a dab hand at folding 50 t shirts that whites aren't up to it!

It is discrimination against whites clear as day if you have eyes in your head.

[edison]

Just had a spam email from computer futures. TBF, it's more than welcome as I can't remember the last time I had one from them.

Starting year3 on the bench. Might find a new hobby.

I mean this in the kindest way but if you're now into your third year on the bench, surely there's no market for you? Your warchest must have been emptied, no?

[edison]

Just watched an interview with a senior Indian minister in Mumbai talking about the UK as our PM is currently there and how the highest number of those leaving are now in the UK, how wonderful it is for Indians lifting themselves out of poverty and now middle class in the UK was his line.

Back patting and how great it is for India; yeah mate but the flip side is it is not good for the UK we are going down the tubes due to cheap labour being imported.

It is not is just in the IT sector so many other jobs coffee shops, Primark, McD's youngsters can't get a shop while they study/at school as so much competition and once they get in they tend to only employ their own. My local Primark is a prime example it is 99% staffed by Indians. It is very noticeable no getting away from it.

They might be Anglo-Indians. Or there's a good chance they are Indian students/workers on the Post-Student or Skilled Worker Visa now having to take any job going because their visas are approaching renewal time and UK companies do not want to sponsor them in such numbers any more.

Reddit is full of endless Indians describing this experience in the UK and asking for help and guidance on what to do next.

Invariably the advice is to get any job you can in retail, food delivery etc and keep applying for jobs but be prepared that 95% of the time, you'll have to go back to India.

FWIW, I see relatively few Indians or Asians working in minimum wage jobs in retail etc and I live not that far from London.

[Snooky]

a dog can be born in a stable but it is still a dog not a horse

It is discrimination against whites clear as day if you have eyes in your head.

Just...wow

Really?

If I had any doubt you were pretty much the same as the racist flagshagging "unite are cuntry, protect are wimin and children" mob, you've certainly removed it.

[Cookielove]

Wow to yourself!!

I am describing in simple terms to you that where you are born is not your ethnicity as you asked if they were British born or not.

The analogy I gave so you would understand in the simplest terms is that a dog, cat or llama can be born in a stable that does not make them a horse....I used dog as they are the most common animal that sprung to mind.

It is saying what you see, not racist at all has become the usual retort/slur bandied about when you don't agree.

Retail store Primark where I am is staffed by Indians no ifs no buts.

Take your faux horror elsewhere, I am giving facts. I could say oh they are all purple, pink or blue but facts are facts.

[dx4100]

The place I work at the tech / dev is around 80% provided by Indians - both on shore and off shore. They seem able to swap over between here and India without much fuss. And we don't need to relax any visa requirements it seems the bar for coming here is fairly low anyway. Boris changed it I believe.

Its a huge problem I am only just seeing for the first time since going perm. I think the opportunities for the kids coming through our colleges and universities is under threat in tech.

This companies mentality is UK labour is expensive (despite operating from here) - I have to employee Indians in the first instance. If for any reason that doesn't work we have to go for eastern Europeans. The other option was "expensive" contractors but that's' now being limited and ultimately being withdrawn as option.

I am quite pro-immigration as the benefits do out weigh the cons on a national level but in some sectors we are getting it wrong. Its wrong in tech.

I do think companies operating here should be giving more opportunities to people living here - mainly our kids. We should be getting more involved with colleges and giving more chance to kids doing T-Levels and so on. There isn't enough engagement from UK PLC really.

Oh and by the way, I think the old concept that employing Indians results in bad outcomes isn't true these days. I work with some fantastically talented guys / girls here. You just have to be a good lead / manager and get the vetting done correctly - something else entirely lacking in my sector.

[sadkingbilly]

Wow to yourself!!

I am describing in simple terms to you that where you are born is not your ethnicity as you asked if they were British born or not.

The analogy I gave so you would understand in the simplest terms is that a dog, cat or llama can be born in a stable that does not make them a horse....I used dog as they are the most common animal that sprung to mind.

It is saying what you see, not racist at all has become the usual retort/slur bandied about when you don't agree.

Retail store Primark where I am is staffed by Indians no ifs no buts.

Take your faux horror elsewhere, I am giving facts. I could say oh they are all purple, pink or blue but facts are facts.

you are Tommy TwoNames and i claim my £10.