State of the Market

[SueEllen]

Before lockdown then

Market feck till April now

There isn't one market.

[coolhandluke]

Can one infer you had to take a poor perm salary on the promise of a better one in April 2021?

Yes and no as the pay rise is not guaranteed. The positive is that my warchest stays in my account, the mortgage is paid and I gain lots of new skills.

For the chap asking about vacancies unfortunately they are not recruiting any new staff.

[nomadd]

There isn't one market.

Two?

[nomadd]

Happy Monday morn everyone, get on that fake commute to the bathroom

I read that as: "Happy Monday morn everyone, I'll get on renovating the bathroom".

[nomadd]

FWIW..

Today's single role in my inbox was for a "Java Development Specialist". The development toolset requirements list was as long as your arms. Rate: £200/day. So on a 7.5hr day, that's £26.67/hr.

The last time I was on that rate - and for once I'm being deadly seriously here - was 1989, the year I started contracting.

I had a look on one of those "rent a contractor" websites today for the first time and found Java guys with 7+ years financial industry experience asking for as little as $15-$20 (yes, USD) per hoiur.

All I can say is thank god I stuffed a small fortune into my pension over the last 30 years. Sometimes being over 55 has it's pluses.

[founder]

I dropped mines to 40 ph for freelance stuff

[NowPermOutsideUK]

FWIW..

Today's single role in my inbox was for a "Java Development Specialist". The development toolset requirements list was as long as your arms. Rate: £200/day. So on a 7.5hr day, that's £26.67/hr.

The last time I was on that rate - and for once I'm being deadly seriously here - was 1989, the year I started contracting.

I had a look on one of those "rent a contractor" websites today for the first time and found Java guys with 7+ years financial industry experience asking for as little as $15-$20 (yes, USD) per hoiur.

All I can say is thank god I stuffed a small fortune into my pension over the last 30 years. Sometimes being over 55 has it's pluses.

Adjusted for inflation your first contractor rate was 400 in that case - Not bad at all ....

[nomadd]

Adjusted for inflation your first contractor rate was 400 in that case - Not bad at all ....

Yeah, was direct with client. ..Who just happened to be the CEO of the previous company I was a permie at. No IR35 issues with Fri-Mon switches in those days!

[rocktronAMP]

FWIW..

Today's single role in my inbox was for a "Java Development Specialist". The development toolset requirements list was as long as your arms. Rate: £200/day. So on a 7.5hr day, that's £26.67/hr.

The last time I was on that rate - and for once I'm being deadly seriously here - was 1989, the year I started contracting.

I had a look on one of those "rent a contractor" websites today for the first time and found Java guys with 7+ years financial industry experience asking for as little as $15-$20 (yes, USD) per hoiur.

All I can say is thank god I stuffed a small fortune into my pension over the last 30 years. Sometimes being over 55 has it's pluses.

Ha! Ha!

My apologies to the Lady who frequents this forum. Just Java is as common as muck. In truth, it has always been, since as far back as 1997, when I started to develop Java programs, professionally. You needed Java plus X, Y, Z. For me it was investment banking knowledge, plus database servers, C, C++, I think Sybase was top of the charts then, and then it kept changing and the list grew. Also throw into the bucket, the Agile and non-technical skills to boot. Admittedly, Applets and Swing UI died off when Web 2.0 jumped off.

Yes, I agree with the shocking fall in rates. This came in my inbox yesterday.

Senior Backend Developer
Start: Immediate
Location: Remote initially, London from February 2021
Rate: £400 per day inside IR35
Duration: 6 months (will extend)
Key Skills/Knowledge:
10+ years Java experience
Spring Boot, Maven, Jenkins, Hibernate

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Backend Engineer - E-Commerce
Start: Immediate
Location: Remote/London
Rate: £350 per day outside IR35
Duration: 6 months
Essential skills:
Experience developing REST, JAVA GraphQL
Scripting using Python

I mean, come on! In an office London from February 2021?!. I wonder if these people read the news.

[founder]

Ha! Ha!

My apologies to the Lady who frequents this forum. Just Java is as common as muck. In truth, it has always been, since as far back as 1997, when I started to develop Java programs, professionally. You needed Java plus X, Y, Z. For me it was investment banking knowledge, plus database servers, C, C++, I think Sybase was top of the charts then, and then it kept changing and the list grew. Also throw into the bucket, the Agile and non-technical skills to boot. Admittedly, Applets and Swing UI died off when Web 2.0 jumped off.

Yes, I agree with the shocking fall in rates. This came in my inbox yesterday.



I mean, come on! In an office London from February 2021?!. I wonder if these people read the news.

still wont get out of bed for either of them