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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View Post
As I said, it remains what happens in reality. The problem is this country has never really had a grown up conversation about immigration and it became something decided behind closed doors between industry and the government without the public really being consulted. I think the care sector genuinely struggled to recruit but in IT I think the problem was business didn't want to pay money for skilled people. I suspect your average Home Office official when confronted with a large consultancy complaining they couldn't find any C++ Developers didn't have the knowledge to tell them to retrain people who knew similar languages.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8yn0d310zo
Office based is being pushed now. Whether people like it or not. There is no growth sitting at home with your slippers on.Comment
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Originally posted by SchumiStars View Posthttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8yn0d310zo
Office based is being pushed now. Whether people like it or not. There is no growth sitting at home with your slippers on.Comment
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Originally posted by SchumiStars View Posthttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8yn0d310zo
Office based is being pushed now. Whether people like it or not. There is no growth sitting at home with your slippers on.Comment
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Originally posted by eek View Post
Or the fact you can't find C++ Developers for £40,000 is because the going rate for that skillset is £55,000...
- can't get any good people
- what's your budget?
- ideally below 30k
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Originally posted by dsc View Post
Depends on the type of work you do, hybrid is still the norm I'd say. If you are client facing then office based makes sense, if you are doing some basement based IT tulip and never even talk to people, what difference does it make?Comment
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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View Post
As I said, it remains what happens in reality. The problem is this country has never really had a grown up conversation about immigration and it became something decided behind closed doors between industry and the government without the public really being consulted. I think the care sector genuinely struggled to recruit but in IT I think the problem was business didn't want to pay money for skilled people. I suspect your average Home Office official when confronted with a large consultancy complaining they couldn't find any C++ Developers didn't have the knowledge to tell them to retrain people who knew similar languages.
Immigration is clearly too high - there is a limit to how many people we can successfully integrate as well as providing the required infrastructure - schools, hospitals, housing etc.
The question is, what is that limit and how do we manage it?
Given that half the residents of this country are net recipients of money (government spending less tax paid), it's clearly in our interest to focus on skilled, higher income workers who will be net positive for the country.
Unfortunately, a lot of the people we currently need are low income (not always low skilled) workers such as care workers.
A points system would be helpful for both of these requirements.
In terms of asylum, there are a lot of low skilled people coming in, but also doctors coming from Ukraine, Hong Kong and the Middle East.
We don't let them work - why?
It's easy to say we should be training our own but that takes investment and several years to ramp up. It also requires us to pay more for low paid but critically required jobs such as care workers as well as having to pay more for skilled areas such as (junior) doctors apparently.
So, all very complicated.
On topic, there's no particular reason for IT workers to be exempted from the general move towards importing labour to reduce expense.
The plumbers and builders had to suck it up when the Polish started arriving in force and we were all pretty happy to be able to get a cheaper plumber, or a plumber at all.
The solution is likely to be a long term one over at least ten years.
Set up a points system with more points for high incomes and critical roles.
At the same time begin to ramp up training for critical roles and pay levels for those roles.
Adjust the points system every year as supply of home-grown critical roles increase to focus more on high skilled, high income immigrants.
Of course, attracting the high value immigrants requires the UK to be attractive to them and we'll be competing with other countries there, so a well functioning society and lower taxes might be helpful. Which reduces the money available to invest in the required skills and training. Sigh.Comment
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Last edited by quackhandle; 31 January 2025, 12:37.He had a negative bluety on a quackhandle and was quadraspazzed on a lifeglug.
I look forward to your all knowing and likely sarcastic and unhelpful reply.
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Originally posted by quackhandle View Post
Every person there has paid ~£10 to travel for the day adding to the economy.
There is no growth of the economy when there is no spending.
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