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Originally posted by Fraidycat View Post
Daily mail headline from today (DM has a paywall now, so i wont link it):
Are these the laziest WFH staff in Britain? HMRC civil servants are gardening, taking the dog for a walk and playing video games while 'at work'Comment
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Getting to the end of April, and been looking since end of November last year.
had only a handful of calls, 2 interviews, 1 turned into an offer but I turned it down as the rate was just insulting.
What a dramatic change from being back to back with no gaps for the 10+ years previous.
Things need to change though right? The work itself didn't just fall off a cliff, it will need doing eventuallyComment
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Originally posted by ResistanceFighter View Post[...]Things need to change though right? The work itself didn't just fall off a cliff, it will need doing eventuallyComment
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Originally posted by Fraidycat View Post
IT has been in slump for 20 months now, started middle of 2022. What industry is that linked in thread about, have they only started to really feel it now?
Thats to be expected from the 18 month delay from interest rates hikes to really hit the economy, but the IT contract market saw the effect after just 6 months.
Although 18 months ago interest rates were only 3%, so thats what the wider economy is feeling at the moment, just 3% interest rates, it might still require another six to nine months before the economy feels the full effect of 5% interest rates.Originally posted by ResistanceFighter View PostGetting to the end of April, and been looking since end of November last year.
had only a handful of calls, 2 interviews, 1 turned into an offer but I turned it down as the rate was just insulting.
What a dramatic change from being back to back with no gaps for the 10+ years previous.
Things need to change though right? The work itself didn't just fall off a cliff, it will need doing eventually
Its the end of an era I believe. The amount of bespoke IT work the vast majority of companies need doing in house has been dropping for a good while and the number of candidates has exploded and theres about to be 3 generations of people in the industry - where back in the day it was one maybe 2 generations
With a supply and demand imbalance companies will just hire cheap perm or lower day rates to the point there wont be much point being a contractor. Which is already happening- Generation X (circa 1965 to 1980)
- Millennial Generation (circa 1981 to 1996)
- Generation Z (circa 1997 to 2012)
"Since 2015, the SaaS industry grew from $31.4 billion to an estimated $1617.1 billion in 2022. That equates to over 5x growth in only seven years."
But again I believe that wont generate significant enough demand for a return to the state of the market in the UK as before with lots of contractors required.
Implementing big bespoke SAAS eg Salesforce will be done in the main cheap offshore locations if possible - with maybe a few onsite guys as contractors
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Originally posted by ResistanceFighter View PostGetting to the end of April, and been looking since end of November last year.
had only a handful of calls, 2 interviews, 1 turned into an offer but I turned it down as the rate was just insulting.
What a dramatic change from being back to back with no gaps for the 10+ years previous.
Things need to change though right? The work itself didn't just fall off a cliff, it will need doing eventually
Things always evolve - couple of years of Covid turbocharged a huge amount of change in working practices, quickly followed by rapid development in end user facing AI tools, the application of which is still in very early stages.
The next 10 years will probably look different from the last 10, there’ll be winners and losers from the changes. Even so, the need for contractors won’t disappear, companies will always need flexible resources and experts who can hit the ground running, finish a task and then move on out.Last edited by sreed; 19 April 2024, 13:10.Comment
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Originally posted by Fraidycat View Post
Daily mail headline from today (DM has a paywall now, so i wont link it):
Are these the laziest WFH staff in Britain? HMRC civil servants are gardening, taking the dog for a walk and playing video games while 'at work'Comment
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Originally posted by ResistanceFighter View PostThings need to change though right? The work itself didn't just fall off a cliff, it will need doing eventually
Demand will return, at some point, every company that has a freeze will lift at same time and will want to hire contractors all at the same time.
We don't know when, but not looking like this year. Sometime in 2025 i would guess.
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Originally posted by Fraidycat View Post
The contract market can stay depressed longer than we can stay solvent (and sane)
Demand will return, at some point, every company that has a freeze will lift at same time and will want to hire contractors all at the same time.
We don't know when, but not looking like this year. Sometime in 2025 i would guess.
With respect to pay growth it’s the same story, lowest since 2020 for temp billings and lowest in 3 years for perm.
There’s definitely a general downturn in hiring, affecting demand for all types of roles. As per the blurb, the sharpest fall in permie vacancies was in the ‘IT and computing’ sector and regionally in the south of England. That will probably be mirrored in temp roles and contracts as well.
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