Contract negotiation query...

[SeaBass]

You decide what you want to be here. Contractor or Permie?

If Permie, ask for a Permanent role with the company, complete with holiday pay, sick pay, pension etc.

If contractor, well, it's time to start applying for some roles that pay a decent rate.

Alternatively, stay where you are. They're taking the piss, mind.

[morf]

You are being well and truly shafted. Start looking elsewhere now for a rate at least double what they are offering.

+1 Worst case you should be on >£400 a day in London. How many years, do you have Prince2 / PMP etc?

[cojak]

OK, just to clarify I was never, ever on 65k perm. I started out at around 230 p/d and now am being offered 247 (they see it the same as 65k for a permie, not even sure how thats relevant though). I stuck with the job as they were a flexible company and I had a bereavement in the family that I had to sort out.

I've been arguing my case for 6 months, only to be told their evaluation of me is that 247 is fair rate. Although not senior, I'm a valuable part of their team (their words), have worked through many challenging circumstances and never say no/kick up a fuss - so definitely not a clock watching mug

Now, I just don't understand how best to explain to them that they are way under, esp. when they seem so confident that they're right?

Good grief - you DON'T negotiate, you just leave.

Sorry but you are not a contractor, you are a permie without the benefits.

[AMH]

who's getting this £65k equivalent then?
The agency?
because it isnt you.

Someone is taking the piss here.

As for bereavement, was you being paid when you was off?

You owe them no loyalty.

[uk contractor]

Good grief - you DON'T negotiate, you just leave.

Sorry but you are not a contractor, you are a permie without the benefits.

+1 & if your a contractor OP you need to be very confident I do not get the impression your very confident if you were then you would know what to do instead of asking for advice on a public forum!

[cojak]

+1 & if your a contractor OP you need to be very confident I do not get the impression your very confident if you were then you would know what to do instead of asking for advice on a public forum!

No problem with asking for advice - that's the point of the professional forums.

[earningacrust]

+1 & if your a contractor OP you need to be very confident I do not get the impression your very confident if you were then you would know what to do instead of asking for advice on a public forum!

++1. and as a Contract PM in London with your experience, you should be asking for at least £450+ per day.

[Bluenose]

Avgjoe: that kind of rate is usually reserved for someone who has been flown in from India on a Visa. Even then they get accommodation paid.

£400pd is bare minimum in Central London, most PM's take £450pd in London, £600pd if you are well connected and have good track record/experience usually anything above that is Programme Manager/niche PM territory.