Damn you would have thought the remainers might have said something

[Whorty]

It's even too much effort to think of it in left or right. It is clear that their message is there to confuse and push you further from the truth.

But that is how you keep the population in line and so probably serves a purpose beyond my understanding.

I only read bloomberg that I got a dodgy license off ebay for £30 (news only, no terminal) and have an Economist subscription.

"if you believe BBC is objective, you've lived under a rock for the previous 40 years.
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they charge you money to brainwash you
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it's a disgrace
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it's one of the most cancerous piece of infrastructure in the west.
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the agenda is outrageous
"

Hmmm, yes, I can see that there has been some brainwashing .... but I don't think it's from the BBC* fella

Unless you think Springwatch, and Sewing Bee, are nefarious in their messages?



* BBC is more than just a news channel

[GigiBronz]

So are you on the right thinking the Beeb is too lefty, or on the left thinking it's too right wing?

Every news outlet has some bias, of course they do, they have to 'win' clicks and views. But of the choices, I'd pick the Beeb any day over the other news outlets.

It's even too much effort to think of it in left or right. It is clear that their message is there to confuse and push you further from the truth.

But that is how you keep the population in line and so probably serves a purpose beyond my understanding.

I only read bloomberg that I got a dodgy license off ebay for £30 (news only, no terminal) and have an Economist subscription.

"if you believe BBC is objective, you've lived under a rock for the previous 40 years.
...
they charge you money to brainwash you
...
it's a disgrace
...
it's one of the most cancerous piece of infrastructure in the west.
...
the agenda is outrageous
"

[Whorty]

Its not just salary, there are some other perks and benefits to being a truck driver:

I'd be suing the makers of that for the trade descriptions act ... most truck drivers I've seen in their vans* are less 'buff' and more 'Greggs'


* when I'm driving, not who I've visited in their vans, before anyone gets smart @rsy !

[Whorty]

What you said made a bit of sense but you've lost me when quoting BBC. All of their news are nonsense and meant to spread the wrong information and control the narrative. They are the exact tool the establisment is using to control the people. And it is done so well that even wise people question it.

So are you on the right thinking the Beeb is too lefty, or on the left thinking it's too right wing?

Every news outlet has some bias, of course they do, they have to 'win' clicks and views. But of the choices, I'd pick the Beeb any day over the other news outlets.

[GigiBronz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57400560

What you said made a bit of sense but you've lost me when quoting BBC. All of their news are nonsense and meant to spread the wrong information and control the narrative. They are the exact tool the establisment is using to control the people. And it is done so well that even wise people question it.

[Whorty]

Why has there been a shortage of drivers for years?

Why shouldn't lorry drivers be paid a fair wage?

It's not just a 'fair wage' .... you have to want to do the job. Granted, you might get more people interested if the pay was higher, but let's face it, it's not a job lots of people are interested in doing. Plus, how high would the wages alone have to go to get UK people to apply .... and what would the impact of that be on goods and services (and inflation)?

It's not a simplistic as you and your mates think it is I'm afraid. If it was, we wouldn't be where we are today.

We had extra drivers, they came from Eastern Europe to fill the gaps left by UK people. A mix of Brexit and Covid has sent them back home.

[Fraidycat]

Let's think about it, even if HGV salaries were able to go up to £50k +, would many more people be interested?

Its not just salary, there are some other perks and benefits to being a truck driver:

[vetran]

<£30k average

https://www.reed.co.uk/average-salar...-driver-salary

https://www.totaljobs.com/salary-che...drivers-salary

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries...RCH_KO0,10.htm

of course permanent jobs are hard to find.


The average UK salary all jobs is £29,600.

Why spend £3k+ and months getting an HGV license risk losing it for spurious reasons?

[vetran]

Brexiteers are trying to solve the wrong problem. There's been a shortage of truck drivers for years. All they've achieved is empty supermarkets and a declining manufacturing industry for the sake of a few drivers who can get a few quid extra.

Why has there been a shortage of drivers for years?

Why shouldn't lorry drivers be paid a fair wage?

[BlasterBates]

Like many problems, it's never as simple as a one dimensional cause. Reading the Beeb article below (sorry for those on the right, or those on the left, who think the Beeb is biased towards the other side) but salary doesn't even figure in the list of reasons why companies/sectors are struggling to recruit.

Let's think about it, even if HGV salaries were able to go up to £50k +, would many more people be interested? Days away from family, sleeping in trucks, unhealthy lifestyle, fewer ladies of the night to 'liberate'. The Eastern European drivers came to fill a hole that was there, these drivers have left and the hole has re-appeared.

A mix of the pandemic (the drivers went home), Brexit (the drivers didn't feel welcome) and Brexit/Immigration rules (drivers don't fit the skills matrix) are some of the main issues. Remove these problems, and even keeping salaries the same and the drivers will come back. Increasing salaries significantly isn't ever going to be an option, and there aren't enough UK people who are interested in lorry driving.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57400560

Brexiteers are trying to solve the wrong problem. There's been a shortage of truck drivers for years. All they've achieved is empty supermarkets and a declining manufacturing industry for the sake of a few drivers who can get a few quid extra.