Oh how could we be so stupid?

[DealorNoDeal]

So what do you think is the solution?
1.More cheap imported workers? That we would subsidise via Gordon the Moron's tax credits.
2. Pay a living wage and see the cost of strawberries rise?
3.Invest in harvesting technology like other countries?

I would say 2&3 what about you?

4. Feck British farming; import more fruit & veg.

[vetran]

4. Feck British farming; import more fruit & veg.

Indeed maybe we need to have some government intervention so that doesn't happen? Maybe more investment?

We import ~20% of our potatoes and they aren't picked by hand anymore.

https://www.pma.com/~/media/pma-file...gdom.pdf?la=en

[BlasterBates]

Already here, strangely most residents were immigrants. 10 to a room so they could afford to live on below minimum wage.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3723786.html



do keep up.

So your story about the abuse of the gig economy because there is a shortage of permanent jobs is your justification for massive immigration?

Indeed it has already started, expect it to continue, as the economy nose dives.

[BlasterBates]

Indeed maybe we need to have some government intervention so that doesn't happen? Maybe more investment?

We import ~20% of our potatoes and they aren't picked by hand anymore.

https://www.pma.com/~/media/pma-file...gdom.pdf?la=en

Invest with what? There's no money.

[vetran]

Indeed it has already started, expect it to continue, as the economy nose dives.

make your mind up! its coming/ already here /caused by shortage of workers/ caused by too many workers/ we are broke/ we are going broke.

[NotAllThere]

1. Its coming
2. already here
3. caused by shortage of workers
4. caused by too many workers
5. we are broke
6. we are going broke.

Apart from 1 and 4... and even that is debatable, depending on the kind of workers ... which of these is mutally exclusive? (Clue 1 & 2, along with 5 and 6 are progressions. ).

[vetran]

Apart from 1 and 4... and even that is debatable, depending on the kind of workers ... which of these is mutally exclusive? (Clue 1 & 2, along with 5 and 6 are progressions. ).

I never said they were but if he is trying to explain the situation by randomly pointing at disjointed supposed causes he is hardly making a reasonable case.

People will do jobs if you remove the obstacles. The main one for farming was pay. That is now changing.

Laws of supply and demand normally underscore most situations. We have been distorting them for decades.

[BlasterBates]

I never said they were but if he is trying to explain the situation by randomly pointing at disjointed supposed causes he is hardly making a reasonable case.

People will do jobs if you remove the obstacles. The main one for farming was pay. That is now changing.

Laws of supply and demand normally underscore most situations. We have been distorting them for decades.

not at all, farmers are not raising salaries, they're simply shutting their businesses.

One third of UK dairy farmers consider exiting industry due to labor shortages

Survey data suggests that dairy farmers are having difficulties recruiting staff, with some leaving the industry altogether due to labour shortages.

https://www.thecattlesite.com/news/5...bor-shortages/

[AtW]

Wages for all should rise. 25 years ago, graduate wage was about £13k pa and a terraced house in a quiet north Manchester street was about £35k. Graduate wages are now about £25k pa and the terraced houses in the same street are about £200k. Forget the value of the house but it's the cost of the mortgage, let alone the deposit, that are skewing things completely.

And how much would houses cost if graduate wages became £50k, genious?

[northernladuk]

In olden days, interests rates were volatile. 15% wasn't out of the running. So, affordability had to take that into account. Nowadays, affordability is 5x or more of salary. Back in ancient times, people earning so much that 60% of their earnings go into the mortgage isn't an issue was unheard off.

Switzerland has never been in favour of a housing market like the UK. So, there's a capital gains tax that minimise after 20 years and is 100% in the first 2 years. Stamp duty that's payable if you cash in within five years (And don't buy a house with the results), wealth tax, and an imputed additon to your taxable income, which is the rent you avoided paying because you arrogant rich bastard bought a house, you scum. As a result, in 30 years, in real terms, house prices have fallen, overall. (Although, mine has doubled... )

If the government wanted to cool the housing market, they could introduce any of these measures. But they won't because it's part of how the UK works. And how voters want it to work.

I am absolutely not saying that the Swiss system is better. Just pointing out that measures can be taken. In fact it's a lot easier to buy a house here in the UK because there isn't the same kind of market. Stamp duty waiver after 5 years is nice. But in terms of investment - nah, unless you're lucky. Like me.

But house ownership in Switzerland is one of the lowest in the world so hardly much of a comparison no? Isn't there only something like only 30% of people aged between 25 and 65 that own their own homes.