No deal better than a bad deal

[meridian]

from my previous post:
(Further question, what do statisticians/scientists etc. usually say to people who try to extrapolate from a study/poll with small sample sizes and apply it to the whole?)

They usually say that it is a perfectly valid statistical methodology.

In terms of numbers of years it is not a small sample size, so the extrapolation is valid (with a small margin of error) without any other evidence to refute it.

[WTFH]

I've given it a good go today, providing links, quotes and numbers.....all you did was ask a few questions and skip answering a few of them, as the answers would probably show either; ignorance and/or bias.
(If anything, you're close to sea-lioning to waste my time....couldn't answer a simple question with 'I don't know', instead choosing to deflect with new questions.....)

You've made up numbers, wailed a lot and wasted oxygen.

Perhaps saying "I'm arguing for the sake of arguing" or "I'm arguing cause I realise I voted for something that was never thought through" or "I'm arguing because if I deflect from one thing to another then they don't notice how I failed at the start" (see post 16 for that ), then perhaps, just perhaps, if you said one of those, it would have saved your Wailing.

You've only had 3 years to come up with straight answers to simple questions. Is it too soon?

[meridian]

No deal better than a bad deal

1. Is 42, the total number of meetings the committee ever had? - addressed to meridian

No, the committee have had far more meetings in their history.

2. Could you qualify if he ever turned up to more than 1 committee meeting? - addressed to meridian

No, I cannot qualify if he ever turned up to more than 1 meeting.

You win, 1 meeting it is then. We’ll settle on that.

[Bean]

No, the committee have had far more meetings in their history.

No, I cannot qualify if he ever turned up to more than 1 meeting.

You win, 1 or more meetings it is then. We’ll settle on that.

ftfy

[Bean]

You've made up numbers, wailed a lot and wasted oxygen.

Perhaps saying "I'm arguing for the sake of arguing" or "I'm arguing cause I realise I voted for something that was never thought through" or "I'm arguing because if I deflect from one thing to another then they don't notice how I failed at the start" (see post 16 for that ), then perhaps, just perhaps, if you said one of those, it would have saved your Wailing.

You've only had 3 years to come up with straight answers to simple questions. Is it too soon?

Which numbers did I make up?


aaaaaand still deflecting from direct, simple questions - keep it up, bravo sir.


3. Is there a direct quote from the MEP in question? - addressed to WTFH
4. are you asserting that due to his relatively low participation during votes - addressed to WTFH
5. How many meetings HAS he attended, according to you - addressed to WTFH
6. are you being very selective in what dates you are using to make your 'fact' true? - addressed to WTFH
7. Which numbers did I make up? - addressed to WTFH (added for completeness)


PS. Careful about using a smiley, some posters on here have some very strong views on the nature of people using them

[meridian]

ftfy

As I said, I can’t qualify that. If you can, feel free.

[WTFH]

Which numbers did I make up?

You don't know the difference between 15 and 16
You claim that I have said 1 out of 42 in this thread.
You claim that you don't know how many meetings Farage has attended, but anyone who provides figures is wrong in your eyes.

Want me to go on?

Want me to list the number of questions you have refused to answer directly, or where, rather than answering, you reply with a question?

I can't be bothered wasting my time any more with you.

You got what you voted for - chaos.

[WTFH]

Is there a direct quote from the MEP in question?

No, that's why i didn't cite it or put it in inverted commas claiming it was.

Or are you asserting that due to his relatively low participation during votes?
(Something he asserts as being a result of always being outvoted by other members, so there being no point in his 'protest vote')

Is "protest vote" his term for the results of the debates, or yours? Does it sound like the kind of democratic thing someone would do after every democratic discussion?

What was the committee voting weighting btw?

I've asked you what you mean by this, but as usual, you have avoided it.

Did/does he have a point?
(I ask you personally, as you always bring this up but never address his own reasoning behind it...)

I've just checked my posts on here, and I can confirm that not every single post I have ever made on here is about NF.
No, he does not have a point. he has failed his electorate. He preaches that others should stand down when they fail, but he refuses to.

[WTFH]

In fact, during the 'key votes' that people like to bring up, there were ~10 UKIP MEPs able to vote, and approximately 670 MEPs total - giving UKIP ~1.49% of the vote.... so yes, he did have a point.

He was one of 2 UK representatives - representing the UK electorate. You're obsessed with him representing a party, not the people who elected him. He was on a committee of approx 50 people. There weren't 10 of him there weren't 670 others.

(i.e. if they all turn up and all vote against, the net result is the same, outvoted)

HTH

In any democracy, the losing side will be outvoted by the victorious side, that's the amazing thing about democracy.
In a dictatorship, the dictator gets his own way and isn't outvoted.
In a committee, a group of people meet to reach an agreed decision. Good constructive debate will mean that while people may have to make compromises, the result should be the best that the group can achieve that does not overly support one small group, or overly reject another.

If NF was ever elected as a UK MP, he would be 1 in 650. He would be outvoted in everything if he always started out at working out how he could protest all the time.

[NotAllThere]

You've made up numbers, wailed a lot and wasted oxygen

On an online forum, surely that should be "needlessly shifted a lot of electrons around"?