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Cataclysm of Brexit 'could lead to Welsh independence'

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    #41
    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Those first two apply to Germany and France.
    Perhaps so, but there are also great cultural differences between the UK & Ger/Fra, that aren't true for Eng/Scot.

    HTH


    Originally posted by Eirikur
    Shared language applies to Ireland as well and English is a Germanic language related to Dutch, German, Norwegian, Danish Icelandic, Faroese and Swedish
    Nuke storage is mostly on board of submarines
    and the Irish love the brits so much, some are willing to bomb us if there's a hard border? (as implied by lots of remainers btw) lol

    By shared language, I meant it is relatively the 1st language spoken at home in those countries. Germans do not, by default speak English when they are at home with say, Grandmutter do they?

    HTH
    Originally posted by Old Greg
    I admit I'm just a lazy, lying cretinous hypocrite and must be going deaf
    ♕Keep calm & carry on♕

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      #42
      Originally posted by Mordac View Post
      Try googling* "Catalan independence, EU membership, and Spanish veto"

      *Other search engines are available
      Scottish independence is different from Catalonian independence.

      Most of the googling will being up quotes from the PP far right government in Madrid which will fight against it but the Spanish MEPs recognise the difference.

      Catalonia are fighting against the Spanish constitution which has it written that Catalonia can't have self determination and that's why its recent referendum was declared illegal.

      The UK doesn't have a written constitution and a referendum in Scotland would be legal like the one in 2014 was with a section 30 order. If the UK government keeps refusing a section 30 then we can hold an advisory one like the EU Ref was and declare it legal. Scottish people are sovereign whereas English people have assigned their sovereignty to Westminster.

      We have a claim of right that was passed in Westminster recently

      Claim of Right for Scotland - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament

      That this House endorses the principles of the Claim of Right for Scotland, agreed by the Scottish Constitutional Convention in 1989 and by the Scottish Parliament in 2012, and therefore acknowledges the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of government best suited to their needs.

      If we decide that Westminster isn't best suited to our needs then we can dissolve the act of union and become independent.

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        #43
        Originally posted by original PM View Post
        Also - didn't the EU tell Scotland they would go the back of the queue if they left the UK?
        There is no queue to join the EU.

        If you meet the criteria then you will be admitted. Since Turkey has applied to join, 16 independent nations have joined ahead of them. If there was a queue they wouldn't get in until Turkey had met their criteria.

        EU enlargement: The next seven - BBC News

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          #44
          Originally posted by Mordac View Post
          You mean "apart from the enormous subsidies provided (mostly) by the English taxpayers?". I'll admit to being quite surprised Wales voted to leave and Scotland voted to remain, if anything it should have been the other way round. The Scots have had their fishing industry massacred by the EU, whereas the Welsh have Aero and motor industries which depend on good trading relations with the EU. Perhaps it's a case of the Scots "would rather be ruled by the EU than the bastard English bastards." If that's true, Nicola Krankie can't lose, surely...
          You should really stop reading the Daily Mail.

          Scotland puts more in than it gets back. If we really were so heavily subsidised, why are Westminster so desperate to hold onto us?

          We are the only oil producing nation that makes £0 from it. We also produce enough electricity for the whole of scotland from wind and wave power.

          The EU is a different union from the UK. WE have 59 MPs against 590 or so English MPs so we can't outvote what England wants and the EU ref showed that as 62% of Scotland voted remain. In the EU all nations have a proper say in the running and have a veto. That's why little Ireland can hold out for what they want from Brexit because the other 26 back them up.

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            #45
            Originally posted by original PM View Post
            You do realize that not every country in the EU can take out more than they put in - because obviously that would not work (even my basic math is good enough for this)

            So I wonder what Germany and France will want in return for free money?
            All the EU countries have their own markets and make their own money. The EU is a club to make it easier to trade with each other. The money collected is used as subsidies where it is needed. For example, Cornwall voted Leave but get big subsidies from the EU. When that stops there is no way London-centric Westminster will pay out the same kind of subsidies.

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              #46
              Originally posted by ZARDOZ View Post
              The Welsh devolution referendum was won on 50.3%

              I think they need a re-run as they probably didn't know what they were voting for and it wasn't a clear majority, it was probably only advisory too and some old people might have died.

              Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                #47
                Originally posted by Bean View Post
                Perhaps so, but there are also great cultural differences between the UK & Ger/Fra, that aren't true for Eng/Scot.
                Having worked and socialised with the French, Germans and Scottish, I've generally found that there are fewer cultural differences between Germans/French and English, than between Scottish and English. Except for humour of course.

                We're certainly closer culturally than with the Americans.
                Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Batcher View Post
                  You should really stop reading the Daily Mail.

                  Scotland puts more in than it gets back. If we really were so heavily subsidised, why are Westminster so desperate to hold onto us?

                  We are the only oil producing nation that makes £0 from it. We also produce enough electricity for the whole of scotland from wind and wave power.

                  The EU is a different union from the UK. WE have 59 MPs against 590 or so English MPs so we can't outvote what England wants and the EU ref showed that as 62% of Scotland voted remain. In the EU all nations have a proper say in the running and have a veto. That's why little Ireland can hold out for what they want from Brexit because the other 26 back them up.


                  Voting in the Council of the European Union - Wikipedia
                  Scroll down to 'Policy Areas' to see what requires QMV now, instead of Unanimity....

                  EU Commission takes aim at national veto powers

                  British influence in the EU Council of Ministers - Full Fact
                  Originally posted by Old Greg
                  I admit I'm just a lazy, lying cretinous hypocrite and must be going deaf
                  ♕Keep calm & carry on♕

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
                    Having worked and socialised with the French, Germans and Scottish, I've generally found that there are fewer cultural differences between Germans/French and English, than between Scottish and English. Except for humour of course.

                    We're certainly closer culturally than with the Americans.
                    Let me guess, you just so happen to have socialised with 1000+ people in each country, in order to extrapolate your 'anecdotal' personal evidence to the entire countries of ~80million people?

                    Do youngsters on the continent have underage drinking problems - or is there a 'continental culture' towards alcohol that differs massive to ours (Eng & Sco)?
                    Do they have pub crawls like here?
                    The French (& I'd assume Germans too) detest CCTV I'm told, and what is the UK - the most surveilled state in the world?
                    Food,
                    Music,
                    Monarchy.

                    CBA with any more because you're probably just trolling.
                    Originally posted by Old Greg
                    I admit I'm just a lazy, lying cretinous hypocrite and must be going deaf
                    ♕Keep calm & carry on♕

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                      #50
                      Free Wales!

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