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Previously on "Cataclysm of Brexit 'could lead to Welsh independence'"

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  • DoctorStrangelove
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    Free ales!

    I'll drink to that.

    <in memory of the sign on the Mumbles road all those decades ago painted on the pillars at St. Helen's cricket ground>

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  • Mordac
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Once again, no logical connection between what I wrote and your reply. Don't you understand what the word "perceived" means? Or do you simply have difficulty understanding written text?
    You need to learn to read. The Scots will get the square root of bugger-all in EU subsidies (if they get let in at all, that is) because they will be so far down the list that anything they previously got from being part of the UK will quickly become a distant memory. Their fishing industry will get pillaged even more than before, and if there is any oil left to plunder, I don't doubt the EU would hesitate in helping themselves to that as well. There is really no benefit, perceived or otherwise, in an independent Scotland being in the EU.
    The best they can hope for is a bail-out when the inevitable happens, but the costs will be punitive.

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  • BR14
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post
    Though there are some lovely scots though. .
    Thankee, thankee sur
    oh gawd bless ya guv'nor, - proper toff you are

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post
    nope
    True, you voted for Unicorns and cakes - but what you’ll get would be a tad different

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    And you voted for Brexit in order to get chlorined chicken plus 2 weeks a year of US style holidays?

    nope

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post
    Found the German & Dutch quite close culturally they both have massive respect for engineers and the French do know about work life balance.
    And you voted for Brexit in order to get chlorined chicken plus 2 weeks a year of US style holidays?

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Having worked and socialised with the French, Germans and Scottish, I've generally found that there are fewer cultural differences between Germans/French and English, than between Scottish and English. Except for humour of course.

    We're certainly closer culturally than with the Americans.

    Indeed I have never had a German threaten tae take merrr firkin haed orrrf wi a mini Jackk. Or a French man theraten to Maissh ye uup. Get me tulip faced with Pernod yes!


    Though there are some lovely scots though. Found the German & Dutch quite close culturally they both have massive respect for engineers and the French do know about work life balance.

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  • AtW
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    Free Wales!

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  • Bean
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Having worked and socialised with the French, Germans and Scottish, I've generally found that there are fewer cultural differences between Germans/French and English, than between Scottish and English. Except for humour of course.

    We're certainly closer culturally than with the Americans.
    Let me guess, you just so happen to have socialised with 1000+ people in each country, in order to extrapolate your 'anecdotal' personal evidence to the entire countries of ~80million people?

    Do youngsters on the continent have underage drinking problems - or is there a 'continental culture' towards alcohol that differs massive to ours (Eng & Sco)?
    Do they have pub crawls like here?
    The French (& I'd assume Germans too) detest CCTV I'm told, and what is the UK - the most surveilled state in the world?
    Food,
    Music,
    Monarchy.

    CBA with any more because you're probably just trolling.

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  • Bean
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    Originally posted by Batcher View Post
    You should really stop reading the Daily Mail.

    Scotland puts more in than it gets back. If we really were so heavily subsidised, why are Westminster so desperate to hold onto us?

    We are the only oil producing nation that makes £0 from it. We also produce enough electricity for the whole of scotland from wind and wave power.

    The EU is a different union from the UK. WE have 59 MPs against 590 or so English MPs so we can't outvote what England wants and the EU ref showed that as 62% of Scotland voted remain. In the EU all nations have a proper say in the running and have a veto. That's why little Ireland can hold out for what they want from Brexit because the other 26 back them up.


    Voting in the Council of the European Union - Wikipedia
    Scroll down to 'Policy Areas' to see what requires QMV now, instead of Unanimity....

    EU Commission takes aim at national veto powers

    British influence in the EU Council of Ministers - Full Fact

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  • NotAllThere
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    Originally posted by Bean View Post
    Perhaps so, but there are also great cultural differences between the UK & Ger/Fra, that aren't true for Eng/Scot.
    Having worked and socialised with the French, Germans and Scottish, I've generally found that there are fewer cultural differences between Germans/French and English, than between Scottish and English. Except for humour of course.

    We're certainly closer culturally than with the Americans.

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by ZARDOZ View Post
    The Welsh devolution referendum was won on 50.3%

    I think they need a re-run as they probably didn't know what they were voting for and it wasn't a clear majority, it was probably only advisory too and some old people might have died.

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  • Batcher
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    Originally posted by original PM View Post
    You do realize that not every country in the EU can take out more than they put in - because obviously that would not work (even my basic math is good enough for this)

    So I wonder what Germany and France will want in return for free money?
    All the EU countries have their own markets and make their own money. The EU is a club to make it easier to trade with each other. The money collected is used as subsidies where it is needed. For example, Cornwall voted Leave but get big subsidies from the EU. When that stops there is no way London-centric Westminster will pay out the same kind of subsidies.

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  • Batcher
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    Originally posted by Mordac View Post
    You mean "apart from the enormous subsidies provided (mostly) by the English taxpayers?". I'll admit to being quite surprised Wales voted to leave and Scotland voted to remain, if anything it should have been the other way round. The Scots have had their fishing industry massacred by the EU, whereas the Welsh have Aero and motor industries which depend on good trading relations with the EU. Perhaps it's a case of the Scots "would rather be ruled by the EU than the bastard English bastards." If that's true, Nicola Krankie can't lose, surely...
    You should really stop reading the Daily Mail.

    Scotland puts more in than it gets back. If we really were so heavily subsidised, why are Westminster so desperate to hold onto us?

    We are the only oil producing nation that makes £0 from it. We also produce enough electricity for the whole of scotland from wind and wave power.

    The EU is a different union from the UK. WE have 59 MPs against 590 or so English MPs so we can't outvote what England wants and the EU ref showed that as 62% of Scotland voted remain. In the EU all nations have a proper say in the running and have a veto. That's why little Ireland can hold out for what they want from Brexit because the other 26 back them up.

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  • Batcher
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    Originally posted by original PM View Post
    Also - didn't the EU tell Scotland they would go the back of the queue if they left the UK?
    There is no queue to join the EU.

    If you meet the criteria then you will be admitted. Since Turkey has applied to join, 16 independent nations have joined ahead of them. If there was a queue they wouldn't get in until Turkey had met their criteria.

    EU enlargement: The next seven - BBC News

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