Theresa May's speech today

[BlasterBates]

UK eat cake proposals rejected

The UK has a simple choice either walk away or pay billions for a short implementation period that will lead to a really sh*te deal.

Lets see what happens.

[darmstadt]

Stop posting selfies

[BlasterBates]

Transatlantic flights to be more expensive after Brexit due to poor US deal

but footwear, food and clothing will be cheaper

or maybe not

[Bean]

Please provide a link to where the UK Brexit negotiators, UK government, UK elected officials or UK unelected officials have said all of this.

No remaining in the SM - In full: Theresa May's speech on future UK-EU relations - BBC News
Want (& will pay for some) access to SM - In full: Theresa May's speech on future UK-EU relations - BBC News
No remaining in the CU - https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-customs-union
Any new union to be negotiated vis-a-vis - In full: Theresa May's speech on future UK-EU relations - BBC News
No Hard border between RoI/NI - You yourself have provided multiple links already, so thanks
Control of our borders (No more FoM in current form) - In full: Theresa May's speech on future UK-EU relations - BBC News
Reciprocal continuity of expat communities rights - Theresa May sends Christmas message to UK citizens living in Europe | The Independent
Able to create Trade Agreements of our own - https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-customs-union
No jurisdiction of ECJ after Transition (except for expat rights & FTAs) - In full: Theresa May's speech on future UK-EU relations - BBC News

Happy reading, you lazy (or google incompetent) sod

So I will reiterate;
The intelligent people who opposed Brexit must be out there somewhere and must be able to grasp at least some things have been voiced from the UK side, but their voices aren't being heard over the loudmouths who are clueless and tend to repeat themselves.

[darmstadt]

No remaining in the SM - In full: Theresa May's speech on future UK-EU relations - BBC News
Want (& will pay for some) access to SM - In full: Theresa May's speech on future UK-EU relations - BBC News

So, no remaining in the single market:

We are leaving the single market.

But, want (& will pay for some) access to SM. Well she doesn't actually state that:

If we want good access to each other's markets, it has to be on fair terms. As with any trade agreement, we must accept the need for binding commitments - for example, we may choose to commit some areas of our regulations like state aid and competition to remaining in step with the EU's.
...
That means we don't want to see the introduction of any tariffs or quotas.

What she did mention about paying for was the European Medicines Agency, the European Chemicals Agency, and the European Aviation Safety Agency however those agencies have no option for a third party country...

We would, of course, accept that this would mean abiding by the rules of those agencies and making an appropriate financial contribution.

Still nothing concrete though and there's only just over 12 months to go and this is all that the UK government have got around to doing after over 20 months since the referendum. Imagine a contractor doing something similar, you would have been out on your ear after a month of previcating...

One thing you want to look at carefully in this speech is that she says that the UK would like to do this but a couple of paragraphs later she says that they might just probably do something different later. Quite an ambiguous speech full of half truths...

[jamesbrown]

One thing you want to look at carefully in this speech is that she says that the UK would like to do this but a couple of paragraphs later she says that they might just probably do something different later. Quite an ambiguous speech full of half truths...

Right, right. As distinct from The Absolute Boy who thinks we can have a Customs Union with a veto over the Common Commercial Policy and a Single Market in which we can engage in state aid.

Pfft.

[Bean]

So, no remaining in the single market:



But, want (& will pay for some) access to SM. Well she doesn't actually state that:

SNIP

SNIP

"“We are leaving the single market. Life is going to be different. In certain ways, our access to each other’s markets will be less than it is now,” "

Read between the lines and apply commonsense ?

1. We are leaving the single market
2. TM thinks our access will be less, not zero

So, how do you think TM thinks the UK is going to retain some access to the SM?
(Paying for it)


At least you don't fatuously state that the UK has stated no positions whatsoever , unlike some

[WTFH]

Control of our borders

And how is "control of our borders" different to what we could do today?

[WTFH]

No jurisdiction of ECJ after Transition (except for expat rights & FTAs) [/url]

You can drop the F from FTAs, there's been no promise that it's going to be Free. You could always do your usual spin and say that FTA is no longer Free Trade Agreement, but Fair Trade Agreement.

And back to one of your arguments months ago where you failed to understand the concept of EU agencies and EU standards, even TM has said the UK will be bound by the ECJ if it wants to be involved in EU agencies.

It's almost like you've just pulled a link, said it applies to everything you said, but not bothered to read it.

[Bean]

And how is "control of our borders" different to what we could do today?

Well, one could easily see that the current format EU FoM:
EU migrant with a job offer = unrestricted right to come to the UK, despite what the UK gov may think (admittedly simplified)

will be different to the future one where, for instance:
we could set out PBS system for anyone/everyone - so we could still say no even if they have a job offer

THAT would be true control.

HTH BIDI