New Diktat from Brussels

[northernladyuk]

Brexit is a bit like the bakery manager of a Tesco store having a row with the bosses and setting up his own bakery across the road telling everyone that he will do better than them.


UK "Trade and Divorce negotiations must be done in parallel" EU "No" UK "OK then they wont"
UK "We wont pay a penny for leaving the EU" EU " Yes you will 45Bn " UK "OK then we will"
UK "EU citizens will not have same rights as UK ones" EU "Yes they will" UK "OK then they will"

EU " You will have a border around the Irish sea" UK "No we wont" .... doesn't take a genius to work out what happens next.

It is regrettable. The UK was once a proud and confident nation, strong alongside its European partners, and now Rees Mogg et al are reducing it to a vassal state. Still, as long at it works out for his hedge fund, there's a silver lining.

[malvolio]

I do actually understand the position quite clearly, The variousions are all on the table for discussion but to one extent or another they all affect the Good Friday Agreement and its promise of freedom of movement and from prosecution for assorted terrorists and criminals. That will bring any agreement to a screeching halt since Irish politicians are so wrapped up in their 450-year-old battles that they lack any sense of perspective.

There is a legislative option, which is a specific deal between the two Irelands allowing the existing trade between the two to continue: it's not a major trade (most of Éire's business comes direct to the UK) but it is doable if the EU - not the UK - would allow such a thing. Except they won't.

It is a difficult thing to achieve but it is not by any stretch the most important issue in securing Brexit.

The problem I have with the Remoaner arguments is that that they are always predicated on the idea that the UK has to remain in a close union with the EU27 to survive therefore any separation is bound to be damaging. Perhaps try it from the other side and see where it leads.

As for Corbyn's master plan - any politician seeking to damage national interests in the pursuit of a short-term political gain is beneath contempt.

All IMVHO and I really don't give a damn if you disagree. But some of us have the balls to look beneath the surface.

[motoukenin]

It is regrettable. The UK was once a proud and confident nation, strong alongside its European partners, and now Rees Mogg et al are reducing it to a vassal state. Still, as long at it works out for his hedge fund, there's a silver lining.

Working in the Fin Tech industry I can tell you that there is something really bad in the pipeline not even sure people here know if its just a glitch or another financial crash, but if Mr Rees Mogg had any sense he would get out of his hedge fund now.

[BlasterBates]

any politician seeking to damage national interests in the pursuit of a short-term political gain is beneath contempt.

hear hear,

fortunately it looks like the electorate are waking up to this and will duly throw them out at, at the next GE.

[WTFH]

any politician seeking to damage national interests in the pursuit of a short-term political gain is beneath contempt.

You mean like Ben Bradley, Jacob Rees-Mogg, etc?

Damaging to national interest to say that the leader of the opposition was a spy? Short term political gain?
MP Ben Bradley apologises for Corbyn tweet - BBC News
https://politicalscrapbook.net/2018/...jeremy-corbyn/

[northernladyuk]

I do actually understand the position quite clearly, The variousions are all on the table for discussion but to one extent or another they all affect the Good Friday Agreement and its promise of freedom of movement and from prosecution for assorted terrorists and criminals. That will bring any agreement to a screeching halt since Irish politicians are so wrapped up in their 450-year-old battles that they lack any sense of perspective.

There is a legislative option, which is a specific deal between the two Irelands allowing the existing trade between the two to continue: it's not a major trade (most of Éire's business comes direct to the UK) but it is doable if the EU - not the UK - would allow such a thing. Except they won't.

It is a difficult thing to achieve but it is not by any stretch the most important issue in securing Brexit.

The problem I have with the Remoaner arguments is that that they are always predicated on the idea that the UK has to remain in a close union with the EU27 to survive therefore any separation is bound to be damaging. Perhaps try it from the other side and see where it leads.


As for Corbyn's master plan - any politician seeking to damage national interests in the pursuit of a short-term political gain is beneath contempt.

All IMVHO and I really don't give a damn if you disagree. But some of us have the balls to look beneath the surface.

A couple of small points first:

most of Éire's business comes direct to the UK

What do you mean? 13% of Ireland's exports go to the UK, and 24% of imports come from the UK. https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryPr...ner/by-country
Do you mean something else?

Also, what is this weird thing about using the term 'Éire' when you are writing in English. Do you use the term 'Italia', rather than 'Italy'?

The 450 year old battles would be a reasonable comment about NI politicians but really doesn't apply to mainstream (Republic of) Ireland politicians. I don't think much of them as politicians, but they are just trying to keep trade flowing.

The problem I have with the Remoaner arguments

Resorting to name-calling. Tut tut.


To the crux of the discussion. The EU is absolutely prepared to keep trade flowing freely on the island. It is just not prepared to accede to UK demands which threaten the integrity of the single market, which incidentally the UK helped to craft. But it appears you are still in finger-in-ears mode. Never mind. It's reaching the crunch point soon.

As for Corbyn, his plan (nice use of the term 'master plan' with its Nazi war film connotations - how very Daily Mail ''Enemies of the People' of you) doesn't seek to damage national interests. It seeks to preserve jobs and commerce.

But some of us have the balls to look beneath the surface.

WTF!

[malvolio]

A couple of small points first:



What do you mean? 13% of Ireland's exports go to the UK, and 24% of imports come from the UK. https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryPr...ner/by-country
Do you mean something else?

Also, what is this weird thing about using the term 'Éire' when you are writing in English. Do you use the term 'Italia', rather than 'Italy'?

The 450 year old battles would be a reasonable comment about NI politicians but really doesn't apply to mainstream (Republic of) Ireland politicians. I don't think much of them as politicians, but they are just trying to keep trade flowing.



Resorting to name-calling. Tut tut.


To the crux of the discussion. The EU is absolutely prepared to keep trade flowing freely on the island. It is just not prepared to accede to UK demands which threaten the integrity of the single market, which incidentally the UK helped to craft. But it appears you are still in finger-in-ears mode. Never mind. It's reaching the crunch point soon.

As for Corbyn, his plan (nice use of the term 'master plan' with its Nazi war film connotations - how very Daily Mail ''Enemies of the People' of you) doesn't seek to damage national interests. It seeks to preserve jobs and commerce.



WTF!

TL: but DidR

"Éire"? Can't anybody take a joke any more? Jeez...

As for the rest, CBA to respond. But if you want to support hiving off bits of the UK to keep the EU sweet I suggest you need to start your own party.

[northernladyuk]

TL: but DidR

"Éire"? Can't anybody take a joke any more? Jeez...

As for the rest, CBA to respond. But if you want to support hiving off bits of the UK to keep the EU sweet I suggest you need to start your own party.

Your retreat to a strawman is to be expected.

[AtW]

As for Corbyn's master plan - any politician seeking to damage national interests in the pursuit of a short-term political gain is beneath contempt.

So how do you feel about Farage, Boris, May et al?

[northernladyuk]

So how do you feel about Farage, Boris, May et al?

Are you sure you're ready to start debating with mince again?