Brexit R.I.P.

[BlasterBates]

The problem wasn't the UKIP vote, May got it the problem was their own supporters in the centre left them.

In other words she turned her party into a big UKIP. All the hard Brexiteers voted Tory, so there is no hidden new vote she can call upon to increase her majority.

The fact that she lost the election, means Hard Brexit has no majority, and therefore can never happen. Before the election they could spin this yarn about a huge Brexit 2/3rds majority and no-one could really argue effectively against it, but not any more.

She blew it, and as time goes on the Brexiteers will slowly fade away in their care homes.

[sal]

She blew it, and as time goes on the Brexiteers will slowly fade away in their care homes.

They won't have a choice after they forfeit their own homes to the State...

[Platypus]

NI will remain open border with rest of Ireland and they'll check IDs when wanting to leave NI for mainland UK. Flights and ferrys probably already check ID of travellers so no real difference. Just need the right ID to travel. Simple.

The border is about goods, not people

[The_Equalizer]

Define soft customs spots? Arrangements that have worked before both the UK and RoI joining the EU are not going to be applicable after one of them leaves the EU, while the other remains, as the border relationship between them directly affect the rest of the EU.

I understand the desire of the entire Island of Ireland population, unfortunately there is now way to get both open/no borders and no CU/FM with EU. That's the thing - it's not to RoI and NI/UK to negotiate between them - it's up to the EU to agree to a massive backdoor.

It's either CU+SM+Open border-special status, -CU-SM+Open border+special status for NI, -CU-SM+Open border+special status for RoI, or -CU-SM-Open border-special status.

If there is a dream scenario where we could get -CU-SM+Open border-special status I (and I bet all the EU leaders) would like to hear the details.

So it's down to whether the EU decide on special status or not. CU and SM are hard to comment on given nothing has been decided, but any customs border would require checkpoints. We're not talking armed checkpoints though. Checks for movement of people could be handled at ports and airports a la Calais both into RoI and GB – admittedly you could enter RoI and travel to NI on false pretences.

However, given the political risk attached to any border for FM, the EU already stating that its commitment to peace, massive financial risk to one of its member states and a basic framework in the CTA why wouldn't there be some kind of special set-up purely for RoI/NI?

[sasguru]

If only.

But a majority of UKIPers were on loan from Labour, and went back to Labour in droves when arrogant TM dissed Farage and UKIP generally.

If she had been a bit more diplomatic, and even offered a well-deserved knighthood to Farage, instead of smugly grinning when asked about this in a TV interview, she would almost certainly have won her overall majority, with the help of ex-UKIPers.

Complete garbage.
All the Kippers voted Tory, since theyre all stupid enough to want a hard Brexit, and since they have no idea what it will do to the economy.
The Tories lost their Remainer contigent, of which I am an example.
In my constituency, one of the safest in the country, always Tory since time began, the Tory majority was slashed from 20000 to 10000, even though the MP is an excellent MP.
I can just see that repeated in more marginal seats cost the Tories dearly.
No students or poor people here in general, just Remainers showing their anger.

[eek]

Complete garbage.
All the Kippers voted Tory, since theyre all stupid enough to want a hard Brexit, and since they have no idea what it will do to the economy.
The Tories lost their Remainer contigent, of which I am an example.
In my constituency, one of the safest in the country, always Tory since time began, the Tory majority was slashed from 20000 to 10000, even though the MP is an excellent MP.
I can just see that repeated in more marginal seats cost the Tories dearly.
No students or poor people here in general, just Remainers showing their anger.

Not quite, it's people with a lot of equity in their house saying feck you to the dementia tax

[Hobosapien]

The border is about goods, not people

They can handle it same as they do for the massive border around mainland EU. Not like they've put up fences all around that.

Besides there will be an agreement to allow cross border movement of goods and people as part of the UK/EU relationship so nothing to worry about.

[The_Equalizer]

Not quite, it's people with a lot of equity in their house saying feck you to the dementia tax

Wouldn't they lose the lot under current arrangements?

[sasguru]

Not quite, it's people with a lot of equity in their house saying feck you to the dementia tax

There was an element of that to be fair.
I think there are 3 elements to this surprise result:

1. Large youth turnout
2. Tactical voting from Remainers
3. Pissed off old Tories worried about pensions and dementia tax.

[AtW]

There was an element of that to be fair.
I think there are 3 elements to this surprise result:

1. Large youth turnout
2. Tactical voting from Remainers
3. Pissed off old Tories worried about pensions and dementia tax.
4. Pissed off young Tories fooked off about hike in dividend taxation

FTFY