How the EU is making a successful Brexit Difficult

[BrilloPad]

The EU did not force the UK to leave.

Yes it did. If it was less corrupt and less Bureaucractic it would have been very different.....

[Bluenose]

But Alexander sliced the knot. He did not cause the knot or choose to vote for the knot. Your analogy falls flat on its face. The Brexit camp are the ones making the choice to leave. The EU did not choose to make the UK leave. The EU did not force the UK to leave. The EU did not have a vote to force the UK to leave. The Brexit camp did all those things, and until they can accept that it is NOT the EU's fault, nor is it the fault of those who did not vote for Brexit, then the sooner they might stop being such snowflakes and actually try to do something positive about the knot they created, then maybe in 20+ years time, Alexander will come along and slice through the Brexit knot.

You caught him out on a technicality here so I will use a less historical version.

The EU is like a financially rich but mentally neurotic ex-USSR state girlfriend you have been wanting to leave for a while but never had the balls to as it carries lots of secondary risks.

When you do finally decide to leave she goes nuts and wants to make you pay in all ways possible in terms of finances, things you used to trade and relationships.

She will send you lots of nasty messages in writing, even before formal negotiations have begun. When she does discuss you with her friends, it will be short, blunt and with little substance. These discussions will be posted on the internet with her holding a glass of wine.

In-fact you can't remember the last time you saw a picture of her without holding a glass of wine.

When you finally do separate she will want the suffering to continue. She does not want to kill you or physically harm you, she just wants you to suffer whilst living whilst she carries on spending money like its going out of fashion and having a 'good time' with 'her' friends who never really liked you much. She posts lots of 'positive' messages on her facebook and instagram with her friends.

The truth is you never liked her friends much either.

But you know she is a ticking mental time-bomb and eventually she will have a complete mental breakdown and will either end up in a clinic or trying to top herself.

You walk away financially poorer but you become closer to the old friends you always had and were pulled away from.

If you are lucky you might even get to poke the new Canadian, U.S, Australian and Kiwi and girls you met in the middle eastern owned nightclub last week who seem somehow much more aligned with your own views and thoughts on the world.

You are still driven home from said club by the same Indian man in a Uber taxi who has no idea where he going but he has big ideas for the future, he wants to be your friend and he sure is funny to listen to.

[darmstadt]

Yes it did. If it was less corrupt and less Bureaucractic it would have been very different.....

What like the UK? Sad to say, one of the most corrupt and bureaucratic countries currently in the EU. It might have been different in the UK had led the way instead of moaning and wailing and much gnashing of teeth

[chopper]

Yes it did. If it was less corrupt and less Bureaucractic it would have been very different.....

Indeed, the EU chose not to reform.
The EU chose not to implement change when David Cameron tried in order to make the EU more appealing to British people (why stop there, why not make it an EU wide change to make the EU more appealing to all its citizens).

Indeed, as Merkel and Makro said yesterday, treaties can be changed if they need to be - i.e. if it suits them. For them, Britain out is the best result, as it allows them to start expanding the remit of the EU without the British fly in the ointment.

You see, the EU has chosen to ignore the fact that 1 in 3 people who made a valid vote in France voted for Marine Le Pen; the EU has chosen to ignore the election results in Netherlands and Austria; the EU has decided that the tide has turned and therefore all of the EU's citizens support more EU. This can only mean an increase in the anti-EU movement throughout Europe over the next few years, but at least with the French and German elections out of the way, they have time to plough ahead with irreversible change towards ever closer union. I don't envisage the people of Europe getting a say in the treaty change that they mentioned.

[darmstadt]

You see, the EU has chosen to accept the fact that 2 in 3 people who made a valid vote in France didn't vote for Marine Le Pen; the EU has chosen to accept the election results in Netherlands and Austria; the EU has decided that the tide has turned due to a rise in the right wing and therefore all of the sensible EU's citizens support more EU. This can only mean an increase in the pro-EU movement throughout Europe over the next few years to stem the tide of right wingers, but at least when the French and German elections are out of the way, they have time to plough ahead with creating an ever closer union. I see that the EU is already beginning to implement changes in the way it works.

FTFY

[SueEllen]

Indeed, the EU chose not to reform.
The EU chose not to implement change when David Cameron tried in order to make the EU more appealing to British people (why stop there, why not make it an EU wide change to make the EU more appealing to all its citizens).

Indeed, as Merkel and Makro said yesterday, treaties can be changed if they need to be - i.e. if it suits them. For them, Britain out is the best result, as it allows them to start expanding the remit of the EU without the British fly in the ointment.

You see, the EU has chosen to ignore the fact that 1 in 3 people who made a valid vote in France voted for Marine Le Pen; the EU has chosen to ignore the election results in Netherlands and Austria; the EU has decided that the tide has turned and therefore all of the EU's citizens support more EU. This can only mean an increase in the anti-EU movement throughout Europe over the next few years, but at least with the French and German elections out of the way, they have time to plough ahead with irreversible change towards ever closer union. I don't envisage the people of Europe getting a say in the treaty change that they mentioned.

You do talk rubbish.

The EU cannot meddle in the internal election processes of nation states within it.

[northernladyuk]

You caught him out on a technicality here so I will use a less historical version.

The EU is like a financially rich but mentally neurotic ex-USSR state girlfriend you have been wanting to leave for a while but never had the balls to as it carries lots of secondary risks.

When you do finally decide to leave she goes nuts and wants to make you pay in all ways possible in terms of finances, things you used to trade and relationships.

She will send you lots of nasty messages in writing, even before formal negotiations have begun. When she does discuss you with her friends, it will be short, blunt and with little substance. These discussions will be posted on the internet with her holding a glass of wine.

In-fact you can't remember the last time you saw a picture of her without holding a glass of wine.

When you finally do separate she will want the suffering to continue. She does not want to kill you or physically harm you, she just wants you to suffer whilst living whilst she carries on spending money like its going out of fashion and having a 'good time' with 'her' friends who never really liked you much. She posts lots of 'positive' messages on her facebook and instagram with her friends.

The truth is you never liked her friends much either.

But you know she is a ticking mental time-bomb and eventually she will have a complete mental breakdown and will either end up in a clinic or trying to top herself.

You walk away financially poorer but you become closer to the old friends you always had and were pulled away from.

If you are lucky you might even get to poke the new Canadian, U.S, Australian and Kiwi and girls you met in the middle eastern owned nightclub last week who seem somehow much more aligned with your own views and thoughts on the world.

You are still driven home from said club by the same Indian man in a Uber taxi who has no idea where he going but he has big ideas for the future, he wants to be your friend and he sure is funny to listen to.

And you are the idiot feckless relative who is always out of work and who turns up uninvited at family events to make poor quality racist jokes and leer drunkenly at your nieces.

[vetran]

nice to see aggressive ad hominem attacks from the bremainers as usual providing no actual facts.

1/3rd of france voted for a far right candidate. If you don't find that worrying you are more relaxed than I.

[SueEllen]

nice to see aggressive ad hominem attacks from the bremainers as usual providing no actual facts.

1/3rd of france voted for a far right candidate. If you don't find that worrying you are more relaxed than I.

They have a two round voting system which while developed to get rid of extreme candidates early on doesn't always work that way.

[northernladyuk]

nice to see aggressive ad hominem attacks from the bremainers as usual providing no actual facts.

1/3rd of france voted for a far right candidate. If you don't find that worrying you are more relaxed than I.

I applaud your new found interest in facts.