[Merged]Brexit stuff (part 2)

[scooterscot]

"Lets hope we will take back control of our parliamentary democracy today
from the ancient Royal prerogatives of Brextulip.

If not the fight continues as many of us will wait patiently for the general election.

Boris Johnson said yesterday:
"Brexit means Brexit and we are going to make a Titanic success of it"

Oh dear Boris, the Titanic sank."

;-))

[Old Greg]

No point the government appealing.

Put the proposals for A50 before Parliament and let them dare reject them.

The British people were bolshie enough to vote Leave despite attempts to frighten them witless by the vested interests. Try that strategy again and see what happens.

Parliament won't reject it. They will just put amendments and conditions in to ensure proper parliamentary democratic oversight over the executive.

[scooterscot]

;-))

"Leave voters complain about a lack of democracy within the EU, and support the idea Parliament shouldn't vote on Article 50, please, spot the paradox.

Utter contempt as usual for logic."

[shaunbhoy]

Doesn't take much rewording to see the similarities.


This is the krux of it for you, isn't it? Narrow self-interest as someone in the UK over what might be best for the European populace as a whole. :

The "European populace as a whole" are perfectly at liberty to take a democratic decision on what is best for them if they so decide. That freedom largely exists as a result of the efforts of my fellow countrymen in standing up to tyranny on behalf of our European cousins during the previous century (Belgium and Poland in particular).
I would not presume to make that decision on their behalf. What I DID do, along with a majority of my fellow countrymen and women living HERE in the UK, is make the democratic choice to leave a Union that has long since departed from its original core objectives.
Just a shame that there are so many petulant and obstructive whiners that seem hell bent on obstructing the activation of the freely expressed wishes of the majority.
Those who no longer even reside here in particular should be taking a long hard look at themselves.

[NotAllThere]

...As I've said before I feel for the good of the nation the MP's should accede to the will of the people and vote to trigger Article 50....

What if the MPs consider that it would be better for the nation to ignore the referendum result and not trigger A50?

So why have a referendum in the first place?

Because the majority wanted it?

No. We didn't have a referendum because the majority wanted it (though they may have). We had a referendum because Cameron a) Want to ensure that UKIP didn't take the Tory vote and
b) He never thought for a moment that he would lose

Since the referendum was advisory, ostensibly its purpose was to find out what the people think.

;-))

"Leave voters complain about a lack of democracy within the EU, and support the idea Parliament shouldn't vote on Article 50, please, spot the paradox.

Utter contempt as usual for logic."

They're just scared they'll lose, and we'll have to say to them "You lost, get over it".

[Old Greg]

The "European populace as a whole" are perfectly at liberty to take a democratic decision on what is best for them if they so decide. That freedom largely exists as a result of the efforts of my fellow countrymen in standing up to tyranny on behalf of our European cousins during the previous century (Belgium and Poland in particular).
I would not presume to make that decision on their behalf. What I DID do, along with a majority of my fellow countrymen and women living HERE in the UK, is make the democratic choice to leave a Union that has long since departed from its original core objectives.
Just a shame that there are so many petulant and obstructive whiners that seem hell bent on obstructing the activation of the freely expressed wishes of the majority.
Those who no longer even reside here in particular should be taking a long hard look at themselves.

Do you think Article 50 should be triggered in accordance with UK law?

[_V_]

Parliament is strongly against Brexit, any concept of Brexit is dead.

On the bright side, we can all retire to sunny Spain now.

[shaunbhoy]

Actually it does. Brits don't revolt like the French. They says some nasty words and the whole blows over.

That so? So I imagine that, having comfortably LOST the Indie Referendum, that the whole notion in Scotland is busy "blowing over" is it? Has anyone told Nicola?

You really do take being an utter moron very seriously, don't you scooter?

[BlasterBates]

This will be a Brexit "Jim" but not a Brexit as we know it.

[chopper]

Actually it does. Brits don't revolt like the French. They says some nasty words and the whole blows over.

Or alternatively, parliament overturning the referendum result would result in Poll Tax style riots which went well beyond a few nasty words.

The referendum turnout was far greater than a typical General Election turnout - the government has more mandate for Brexit than for anything else it wants to do. Alas, it doesn't have a mandate for what kind of Brexit it should be and that is the real issue now.