[Merged]Brexit stuff (part 2)

[WTFH]

Who says Remainers did consider the deaths of hundreds of thousands of British and allied soldiers?

And just to stir things up - on 11th November it will be remembrance day - when we use the tagline
'Lest we forget' lets us remember that what that means is let us not forget those who fought and died so we would not have our civil liberties dictated to us from a central European tyranny.

For those of you who voted remain - you did forget - you forgot because you valued your cheap latte over the broken skulls of our grandparents and you should hang your heads in shame.

Original PM said that those who voted to remain have forgotten and that we "value cheap latte over the broken skulls of our grandparents".

[original PM]

ok aside of the stiring, let's have a look at each item.../snip


2) Ability trade with who we want on terms mutually agreeable to both parties without having to have agreements ratified by 27 other countries with opposing goals.

Are you sure you'll get better deals ?

.snip

Well why would we not as surely a single country will be more flexible in what it can offer in trade negotiations.

Yes I agree we will loose some of what you could call the economies of scale we have when within the EU.

But maybe the reduction in bureaucracy and therefore increased speed to market of any trade deals may offset that.

But then maybe saving a few dollars on some consumer goods was not in the forefront of my mind when I was voting.

It's interesting how people want you to be honest right up to the point where you are honest.

[original PM]

Original PM said that those who voted to remain have forgotten and that we "value cheap latte over the broken skulls of our grandparents".

But that is clearly an over exaggerated metaphor to stress the point using words which evoke strong emotions.

It was not meant to cause offence more to make people challenge themselves and their ideals.

[OwlHoot]

A bremoaner is someone who moans about Brexit. There's not really much of that going on here. There is considerable amount of laughing at dumb wrexiters, who not only have no sense of irony, they also don't know what irony means. (Or Brexit for that matter).

For the more serious of us, there are attempts at discussing the effects (so far) of Brexit, and what it will mean in the long term to the prosperity of our fair country. However, since the wrexiters are a fairly thick bunch, by and large, their only response is "*grunt* bremoaner *grunt*". Which for odd reasons they think settles the argument.

You kindly explained what a bremoaner is. But for the benefit of us thick Brexiters could you also define Wrexiter?

Could it be short for "wrong exiter"? Or are there exceptionally large numbers of Brexiters in Wroxeter or Exeter?

It's all very confusing.

[WTFH]

But that is clearly an over exaggerated metaphor to stress the point using words which evoke strong emotions.

It was not meant to cause offence more to make people challenge themselves and their ideals.

And the bit about "we did forget" and we should "hang our heads in shame"?
Were they exaggerated metaphors, not meant to cause offence?

[BlasterBates]

Ok I'll bite cos i got nothing better to do.

So

1) Free movement of labour, not free movement of people.
2) Ability trade with who we want on terms mutually agreeable to both parties without having to have agreements ratified by 27 other countries with opposing goals.
3) Zero interference from other countries on our policies

And just to stir things up - on 11th November it will be remembrance day - when we use the tagline
'Lest we forget' lets us remember that what that means is let us not forget those who fought and died so we would not have our civil liberties dictated to us from a central European tyranny.

For those of you who voted remain - you did forget - you forgot because you valued your cheap latte over the broken skulls of our grandparents and you should hang your heads in shame.

oh look....

The structure of the United States of Europe will be such as to make the material strength of a single State less important. Small nations will count as much as large ones and gain their honour by a contribution to the common cause. The ancient States and principalities of Germany, freely joined for mutual convenience in a federal system, might take their individual places among the United States of Europe.

ooooh .........who said that ?

booo.....

The speech of someone who should hang his head in shame

[scooterscot]

2) Ability trade with who we want on terms mutually agreeable to both parties without having to have agreements ratified by 27 other countries with opposing goals.

I'm not sure he gets the other member states only negotiate as a single entity.

[vetran]

As for the "politically correct virtues", perhaps the Daily Mail would like to re-run its headlines from the 1930s. Was it "Hurrah for the Blackshirts" they said when they were hoping the UK would be overrun by racist & religious hatred spewing forth from Germany?

Oh dear that old chestnut again, even the Granuiad thinks you are very stupid on that one.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/gr...-oswald-mosley


I assume any news outlet that had a proprietor who admired communism will be derided by you for the next century? They mostly make Hitler look like an amateur.

I suppose your use of IBM gear or any drugs/products from IG Farben' bastard children mean you are even more culpable?

It was one man who controlled 2 newspapers supporting a British fascist movement which was espousing isolationism, positive eugenics & clean living in the wake of a Global recession, we have seen plenty of bias from the BBC supporting radical Islam leaders and we own that I fail to see much difference in the Idealogies of Hitler & Islamic Nutters such as ISIS.

Don't get me started on Murdoch.

Many saw Enoch Powell as a deeply honorable man and a visionary, Moseley was considered similar. The whole of Germany was taken in by Hitler much of the UK. Racism was normal and yet we judge & form opinions based on today's much better standards.

How many Che Guevara & Nelson Mandela T shirts have you seen? Both were actually confirmed terrorists with the blood of innocents on their hands do you mock any paper that has ever printed support of Mandela? Or the IRA etc?

Moseley was obviously a complete nutter I mean he was a Conservative & Labour MP enough to bar anyone from political life. Working with that renowned fascist Ramsay McDonald should be enough to offend anyone.

Oswald Mosley was the youngest elected Conservative MP before crossing the floor in 1922, joining first Labour and, shortly afterwards, the Independent Labour Party. He became a minister in Ramsay MacDonald's Labour government, advising on rising unemployment.[citation needed]

In 1930, Mosley issued his 'Mosley Memorandum', which fused protectionism with a proto-Keynesian programme of policies designed to tackle the unemployment problem, and he resigned from the Labour party soon after, in early 1931, when the plans were rejected. He immediately formed the New Party, with policies based on his memorandum. Despite winning 16% of the vote at a by-election in Ashton-under-Lyne in early 1931, however, the party failed to achieve any other electoral success.[citation needed]

During 1931, the New Party became increasingly influenced by Fascism.[1] The next year, after a January 1932 visit to Benito Mussolini in Italy, Mosley's own conversion to fascism was confirmed. He wound up the New Party in April, but preserved its youth movement, which would form the core of the BUF, intact. He spent the summer that year writing a fascist programme, The Greater Britain, and this formed the basis of policy of the BUF, which was launched in October 1932.[1]

Interestingly enough just listening to Brown Sugar by the stones. Maybe you should picket their concerts?

[WTFH]

Veteran, are you saying that you agree with the rest of original PM's post about how anyone who voted remain should hang their head in shame because they are dishonouring the war dead?

[scooterscot]

that was the bremoaners greatest card, all the youngsters said I voted remain so I could travel & work in Europe. I pointed out that it wasn't unknown for that to happen before the EU or even the world war.

There's a world of difference in 'having the right to work there' and 'having to apply for the right to work there'.

As a UK expat working living in Germany, working with clients in Germany, Austria, and occasionally the Netherlands I only have to turn up at an interview and begin work. Latterly I've American friends marvelling at the ease in which I'm able to do this without a visa application, a work-permit or being fluent in the local language.