Getting Paid For Inside Roles

[Andy Hallett]

I need your help!

I am currently working with a number of agencies on their middle / back office setup and looking at the services that we will need to prioritise going forward.

Would really appreciate your vote and any comments.

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[northernladuk]

26% so far for deducted payments. I hope your voting base aren't as clueless as some of the contractors I've encountered or come on here as they won't even know what that entails. It's just not umbrella or agency which they dislike.
We've already got a post today from a contractor wanting to claim expenses for an inside gig so paying their LTD isn't going to work well for them

[Andy Hallett]

I know you've done some inside gigs, what would have been your preference?

[eek]

I know you've done some inside gigs, what would have been your preference?

My viewpoint

A no cost option via Agency payroll (or PEO) should be a legal requirement. Expect it to arrive in 2025/6 because I know Labour will have it as a priority once they get into power.

Umbrellas used to serve a purpose prior to the expenses changes in 2016. Since then their main services are continual employment and an ability to throw what would otherwise be an employer NI payment into your pension pot.

Anyone who thinks deemed payments is a good idea simply doesn't understand how they work - it's literally the worst possible option and a right faff for everyone involved.

[northernladuk]

I know you've done some inside gigs, what would have been your preference?

I voted brolly. Worked fine, pension transfered over after, no holiday pay issus etc. I'd rather not trust an agent to do it and CBA with the LTD doing it. It was only going to be once every so often but I must admit in the new era where it's more likely and for a longer period I'd have to look in to the options again.

[northernladuk]

Anyone who thinks deemed payments is a good idea simply doesn't understand how they work - it's literally the worst possible option and a right faff for everyone involved.

Indeed so it's a sorry state that 30% of people have picked it. That said I expected more but maybe Andy only hob nobs with a better class of contractor

[fabios]

If ltd was an option for inside role wouldn't it give us more flexibility, e.g. salary sacrifice for a car? I still don't understand why umbrellas don't offer it.
Regarding agency, sounds like the worst option. There are always delays and issues with paperwork so I can imagine they would struggle with things like pension.

[Fred Bloggs]

If ltd was an option for inside role wouldn't it give us more flexibility, e.g. salary sacrifice for a car? I still don't understand why umbrellas don't offer it.
Regarding agency, sounds like the worst option. There are always delays and issues with paperwork so I can imagine they would struggle with things like pension.

I don't think you understand how this works. When you're an employee of an umbrella company, how are they going to pay a limited company your salary?

[northernladuk]

If ltd was an option for inside role wouldn't it give us more flexibility, e.g. salary sacrifice for a car? I still don't understand why umbrellas don't offer it.
Regarding agency, sounds like the worst option. There are always delays and issues with paperwork so I can imagine they would struggle with things like pension.

Because umbrellas are trying to do the least work for most money. The more they do the more it will cost you. And also people don't often stay long with a brolly. The next assignment will mandate a different brolly or even outside so they've got then deal with handover of complex tax.

You are expecting too much from your brolly and aren't considering that time costs you money.

[fabios]

I don't think you understand how this works. When you're an employee of an umbrella company, how are they going to pay a limited company your salary?

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Why would I be employee of umbrella if there was an option to pay to my ltd company which would then pay me full salary?

Because umbrellas are trying to do the least work for most money. The more they do the more it will cost you. And also people don't often stay long with a brolly. The next assignment will mandate a different brolly or even outside so they've got then deal with handover of complex tax.

You are expecting too much from your brolly and aren't considering that time costs you money.

I'm not expecting too much, just more tailored service with appropriate pricing. Don't see an issue with providing different options for different prices. Things like 1-month lease shouldn't be an issue if they use a proper software.