No To Retro Tax - Ongoing battle against S58 FA2008

[ns1]

1. This is the NTRT forum.

Not much of a forum anymore since all the regulars deserted it.

I used to rely on this to keep up to date with what was going on and NTRT have killed it with their private club.

Even some of their own members have been left out in the cold. Glad I didn't join now. If I had, I'd be asking for my money back.

[freeranger]

Not much of a forum anymore since all the regulars deserted it.

I used to rely on this to keep up to date with what was going on and NTRT have killed it with their private club.

Even some of their own members have been left out in the cold. Glad I didn't join now. If I had, I'd be asking for my money back.

A general newsletter to ALL NTRT members who re-subscribed following the departure of Whitehouse was sent out only two weeks ago! I'm nots sure how this counts as leaving members out in the cold.

Any questions posted here by anyone not in the TAA forum are answered here by members of NTRT.
Any members of NTRT not in TAA, which is a small number from what I understand, are free to discuss non TAA matters here.

Discussions in the TAA forum are necessarily more private - the committee put a lot of work into vetting people who joined the TAA forum to ensure frank discussions could be had without fear of revealing strategies etc to all and sundry.
This is a public forum - anyone, including HMRC, can join and read and see what is being discussed here.

Are you saying you aren't even an NTRT member, never mind a TAA member, and you are mad that you can't freeload as much as you used to because many discussions are behind closed doors?
The NTRT committee put a huge amount of effort into both NTRT and TAA, all of which is unpaid - membership money is not for them but to fund the fight which will hopefully lead to a win at the end of the day - perhaps if you actually were a member you would get some more useful info and support.

[nearlyover]

Any members of NTRT not in TAA, which is a small number from what I understand, are free to discuss non TAA matters here.

If it's only a small number of us in NTRT but not TAA, then verification we're not HMRC should be easy no? As would setting up a different forum under the auspices of NTRT where we can't see the TAA activity but can at least be kept up to date with everything else going on.

I've no desire to undermine the strategising over TAA, I understand the need for security. However not knowing I could have made further representations against 2 APNs was directly caused by having no visibility of general chatter anymore. What's the next mis-step I'll make because it's not discussed here in a timely manner?

[Kojak]

If it's only a small number of us in NTRT but not TAA, then verification we're not HMRC should be easy no? As would setting up a different forum under the auspices of NTRT where we can't see the TAA activity but can at least be kept up to date with everything else going on.

I've no desire to undermine the strategising over TAA, I understand the need for security. However not knowing I could have made further representations against 2 APNs was directly caused by having no visibility of general chatter anymore. What's the next mis-step I'll make because it's not discussed here in a timely manner?

I totally agree with NN. I paid £200 to join NTRT. Respect for the individual? Obviously not.

[cojak]

Just an idea. Are there any montpelier members not receiving the montpelier letters? Do montpelier have you new address?

A bump question I think.

[cojak]

Not much of a forum anymore since all the regulars deserted it.

I used to rely on this to keep up to date with what was going on and NTRT have killed it with their private club.

Even some of their own members have been left out in the cold. Glad I didn't join now. If I had, I'd be asking for my money back.

This forum is as valuable as the money you pay for it (or the effort you put into it).

[freeranger]

If it's only a small number of us in NTRT but not TAA, then verification we're not HMRC should be easy no? As would setting up a different forum under the auspices of NTRT where we can't see the TAA activity but can at least be kept up to date with everything else going on.

You'll have to wait for a response from the committee about any appetite for setting up another forum but tbh I don't know how much difference it will make. If person A is a TAA member, you can't force them to post in a non TAA forum, so if they ask a question and person B responds...what should be done - people divert energies from elsewhere to police the forums and delete any discussion that isn't deemed directly and exclusively related to TAA?
Do they give up more of their precious personal life to do this, or take time away from fighting the good fight in order to do this?

However not knowing I could have made further representations against 2 APNs was directly caused by having no visibility of general chatter anymore.

Did you ask here if you could make further representations and get no response?
How can you be sure that just seeing "general chatter" that happens in the TAA forum would mean you would have magically known you could make further representations?

People in TAA have left it too late to make initial or further representations, so even membership of that group does not guarantee anything - and said representations may simply serve to delay rather than remove the APN.

If you are a ex-Montpelier member then they should be keeping you informed about the JR and your ability to be included on it or not - hence the recent circular from them.

I don't think anybody is deliberately not posting non confidential things here, just that when you hang out in another forum, it is the "natural" place to ask certain questions.

[nearlyover]

Do they give up more of their precious personal life to do this, or take time away from fighting the good fight in order to do this?

The original PCG was a good example of a fora where topics were indeed segregated/permissioned in such a manner and until they went loopy, continued to effectively allow communication across concerns. CUK is another example where topics appear to be categorised appropriately (I've no idea if there is a seperate permissions level but I assume so).

All NTRT needs is:
1) Uber-secret TAA board for those it applies to
2) An everything else board, open to all NTRT members

Then if it's a community in any way at all, the odd cross-post could be made by a kind-hearted member of 1 to the plebs like myself in 2. I was led to believe that's what would happen with this thread but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Before, I could lurk safe in the knowledge that someone in the larger group would ask a question I'd want the answer to (innevitably before I knew I'd need to ask it). I ran with the assurances I'd been given (yes I did ask) that non-TAA folks wouldn't be discarded or forgotten about now they had their own forum, which is why I (wrongly) assumed that further representations against the APNs were not possible. My thinking was "Surely someone would have said something, many of us must have had the same APN deadlines after all".

Before the closed-forum, I lurked among many, contributed to NTRT, wrote to my MP and fought the good fight. Now (apparently alone as a non-TAA NTRT member on CUK) I need to come up with and ask all the questions, in a public space.

I've no way of knowing but when did it get mentioned on the TAA board that MP had filed papers for their JR? Was I really the first NTRT member to receive that circular? Historically I've found out about each and every letter on here, well in advance.

I'm not looking for an argument, I'm clearly massively outnumbered by TAA members who don't have this problem. I'd just like to have a better idea of what's going on around BN66 (non-TAA) events so I don't screw-up again. Gleaning information by observing other people's questions as opposed to just the ones I can think of was incredibly useful. NTRT was an organisation I joined to be part of the group and help with that. These threads on CUK were the primary communication mechanism, which no longer function in the same way. The people most knowledgable and exposed to the issue appear to no-longer (or very rarely) visit.

[nearlyover]

I used to rely on this to keep up to date with what was going on and NTRT have killed it with their private club.

I disagree strongly, NTRT didn't kill it - the guys behind NTRT put a huge amount of unpaid time and work in. We would all be in a much poorer position without what went before NTRT and the work that occurred after its creation.

I don't begrudge the call to arms, the creation of NTRT or the membership fee. I don't begrudge TAA as an approach, nor the private forum to discuss it in. I merely, as a paid member, bemoan the reduced sharing of information that has had a material financial impact on my life, and which I had anticipated being a member of NTRT would have helped me with.

[freeranger]

Before, I could lurk safe in the knowledge that someone in the larger group would ask a question I'd want the answer to (innevitably before I knew I'd need to ask it).

As cojak said earlier:

This forum is as valuable as the money you pay for it (or the effort you put into it).

So it seems you are getting as much out of it as you put in, effort wise.
To date, including your posts complaining about a lack of posts on here, you have made exactly 11 posts on this forum and you are complaining that other people are not contributing here as much as they used to? wow.

The implication is that you want other people to do your thinking for you, to ask the questions you want answered, and now you are upset that those people are posting elsewhere....maybe it's time you actually started posting questions yourself and see if you get answers instead of assuming someone else will do the work for you.

When your representation was rejected, did you post here and say "my representation is rejected, is there anything else I can do?", and if so, what response did you get?

As for Montpelier, perhaps you should take it up directly with them that they didn't let you know in advance that they were considering launching a JR. If other people knew about it in advance of the circular, perhaps it is because they got off their arses and actually did something like, I dunno, asking a question? maybe of Montpelier themselves - "What are you doing about this APN" or some such thing. I know it seems like a lot of effort to ask your own questions but maybe now's the time eh?

Note that I have nothing to do with the NTRT committee and I haven't posted even a fraction of the useful info I have gleaned here from other members, committee or otherwise, but I don't have the cheek to complain that people aren't posting as much as they used to, so I might have to myself.