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Previously on "Churchill Knight & Boox clients being investigated as Managed Service Companies"
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I wouldn’t trust ChatGpt as far as I could spit, and you can guess how much I think the odds are.
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Hi everyone,
So I asked ChatGPT the other day what would be the likelihood of HMRC winning the MSC case. It provided me a figure ranging from 60-70% based on the information which it has to base its answers.
No idea how ChatGPT came to this conclusion but I found this quite interesting and just wanted to share.
What do you all think about this? Would you put the odds of HMRC winning as something different?
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As a story, it will only gain any traction if HMRC lose in court. Plenty of MPs would be lining up to give them a good kicking for overreaching their powers, persecuting contractors (yet again), wasting public money etc.
That's a very big "if" of course.Last edited by woody1; 28 July 2025, 11:03.
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Originally posted by Lotok View PostI wonder if this is too small an issue to try and get someone like Martin Lewis involved. There has never been a lot of media attention around this and really it feels just like HMRC trying to use unrelated legislation to raise extra money from unsuspecting tax payers.
The other reason of course he would be preaching to a congregation of around 2000 people, that's just a waste of his time I'm afraid.
Some of the professional publications Computer Weekly etc., are doing their best and the legacy media also started fairly strongly but they reported it as they should as news.
The reason the PO scandal hit home was down to there being a drama shown and it was the good old post office the place everyone loves to think of as being quintessentially British. Can you imagine if the scandal about IT systems caused the downfall of managers of local bookmakers?
We're on our own here 'no one is coming to save you'
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I wonder if this is too small an issue to try and get someone like Martin Lewis involved. There has never been a lot of media attention around this and really it feels just like HMRC trying to use unrelated legislation to raise extra money from unsuspecting tax payers.
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Originally posted by cojak View Post
This definitely looks like a wide trawl through all of your accounts to find something to make it worth their while.
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For those that haven't seen this, FWIW:
https://www.contractoruk.com/news/00...e_figures.html
Personally, I think that's a bit of an optimistic take on whether IR35 might be relevant later on. It isn't top of their mind right now for the reason given - the order of application of ITEPA 9 vs. 8/10 - but it could become relevant later on, depending on how the legal process develops.
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Originally posted by geekergosum View Post
it seems all a little if we can’t get them on msc can we get them on ir35, and if we can’t get them on that can we get them on expenses, and if not that what about spousal eligibility of dividends.
why are they asking me about the personal services my company provided and not my so called “employer “ boox? Could it be that they didn’t provide me a managed service of my company?
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Yes this does seem bizarre. An MSC determination means pretty much everything is taxed as though you were an employee. Virtually no expenses would be exempt. And what the heck does it matter the ins and outs of what your Spouse received, when MSC means everything is treated as your income.
Could they be hedging their bets? If not MSC, then IR35? Who knows with this bunch of muppets.Last edited by woody1; 24 July 2025, 07:12.
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Originally posted by woody1 View PostHMRC are going to be busy if they have this palaver with every single person. They might need to learn to work a bit smarter.
it seems all a little if we can’t get them on msc can we get them on ir35, and if we can’t get them on that can we get them on expenses, and if not that what about spousal eligibility of dividends.
why are they asking me about the personal services my company provided and not my so called “employer “ boox? Could it be that they didn’t provide me a managed service of my company?
They also ignored completely my complaints about the impact on my mental health I raised over these invasive and continuing vague investigations.
if you are affected by this …and you do need help…please reach out to the relevant charities.
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HMRC are going to be busy if they have this palaver with every single person. They might need to learn to work a bit smarter.
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