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[Lotok]

There is little public support to be found because contractors suffer the stereotype of wealthy tax dodgers. We all know that is not true but for anyone who hasn't been a contractor, that is the image they have. When this came out there was a lot of chat on places like Reddit and the overall theme was...

[Lotok]

I cant see why the tribunal would agree they are able to do all of these things given their witnesses last week. This argument very much appears to be the law is broad, we can do what we want and this tribunal doesnt have the power to stop us. If that point is proven false they fall apart. If its true...

[Lotok]

We are HMRC and can do what we want. Great.
They seem to be arguing its out of his tribunals remit and they can do it if they choose as the law is broad enough

[Lotok]

Do Boox lawyers get to speak again? After 2 days of HMRC points being made do they have time to respond?
If this is a closing statement, its not summing up what was said previously.

I dont know anything about law, just an observer so dont know the process.

[Lotok]

There was a point made early on last week about how legislation should be clear, there is absolutely zero way any of the clients could have possibly known there was even a chance the accountant was falling into this. So the outcomes for the clients would be very unfair. I would hope the judges can see...

[Lotok]

Having watched all of this, if HMRC can spin a win out of this they are winning purely because they are HMRC and what they say goes. I have seen nothing compelling that makes me think otherwise.

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Their argument so far appears to be that it doesn't matter that boox were...

[Lotok]

Sounds like you are looking to reinvent the CRM. As a software dev contractor, I just kept my eye on opportunities coming up. Contracting days are over though. HMRC's aggressive attack on my accountant and branding me an MSC seen to that.

[Lotok]

My understanding on the current line of questioning.

HMRC had an "approx dividend" value figure, which was 3x higher than actual despite actually having the exact correct value. Then they did all their calc on the approx value and didnt even account for salary etc.

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[Lotok]

The boox advertising was a strong offence from them, but that is more likely to get them in hot water with trading standard than anything else unless they can prove they actually did do everything else, which they cant, because they didnt. It was false advertising, not tax evasion.

But...

[Lotok]

I am interested to see how HMRC present their argument. The argument itself always felt weak and a stretch, but on their side they had the fact they are HMRC.
The idea that the 'profiting on an on-going basis' box was ticked by a subscription, in a world where everything is a subscription.

[Lotok]

Watching it online on and off today while i could. Audio quality was a bit rough but agreed the defence opening statement was good for what I seen leading up to their lunch break

[Lotok]

yeah that struck me as a dirty tactic to drag the ltd companies side of things out even longer and give them more time.