Reply to: PCG News on gov contracts - Will the government ever **** off and leave me alone?

[Robinho]

Everyone should be on PAYE if they are doing a job.

The problem is the tax rate is too progressive.

People seem to be getting confused.

[d000hg]

The government and HMRC won't rest until every last one of you are PAYE.

Sorry, but it's true,

If it were simply PAYE not PAYE plus employer's NI, would that really be so terrible?

[The Spartan]

The government and HMRC won't rest until every last one of you are PAYE.

Sorry, but it's true,

That's a great way to get people to leave the country and then they won't get anything

[cojak]

The government and HMRC won't rest until every last one of you are PAYE.

Sorry, but it's true,

You too (unless you already are, obv..)

[SantaClaus]

The government and HMRC won't rest until every last one of you are PAYE.

Sorry, but it's true,

[IR35FanClub]

deleted posted in wrong thread. lol

[d000hg]

The difference is that one is a company, the other is a freelancer.

I don't know why they use consultancies either though

[IR35FanClub]

If you really can't see a difference between a company hiring multiple people on a proper salary and charging them out to turn a profit, and one person charging themself out as a company and taking all the money as dividends, there's probably no way we can debate this.

the difference is that instead of the person who did the work getting to keep all the money, it gets shared amongst the government a bit more via PAYE/NI and then the rest goes to investors / pension schemes via their divvy... which dont get the tax credit anymore, so the gov get a bit more there too.

I never worked out how comanies are willing to pay £1000/day for someone just coz they are thru a big consultancy, yet they can get the same person half price or less going direct. The company as far as I can tell, add no value other than acting as a magnet for people who want a career rather than some work.

?

[vetran]

I look forward to the PCG putting celebrities & politicians through the example tests.

The <insert footballer's image rights name here> fails the IR35 test.

The <Comedian> fails the test.

The <Politicians personal appearance company> fails the test, lets see the gurning idiot pass.

a few of those will derail these.

[speling bee]

I wish you luck finding someone clever enough to figure out how to explain it to you.

I forgive you.

[d000hg]

I wish you luck finding someone clever enough to figure out how to explain it to you.

[speling bee]

If you really can't see a difference between a company hiring multiple people on a proper salary and charging them out to turn a profit, and one person charging themself out as a company and taking all the money as dividends, there's probably no way we can debate this.

How disappointing. Hopefully I can find someone more clever than you to debate with.

[d000hg]

If you really can't see a difference between a company hiring multiple people on a proper salary and charging them out to turn a profit, and one person charging themself out as a company and taking all the money as dividends, there's probably no way we can debate this.

[speling bee]

They're already employed by the consultancy.

And I'm employed by my consultancy. I am also a Director and Shareholder, as are some management consultants. But you are suggesting that I am a disguised employee of the client, but the management consultant is not. Or are you saying something else?

[d000hg]

So a management consultant is an employee of the client?

They're already employed by the consultancy.