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Originally posted by doodab View PostExcept of course that if the "bit of techie stuff" doesn't get done there is no business.
Out of interest, who do you think makes the strategic decisions at companies like Daimler, BMW, Bae, Intel, Siemens? They all have engineers on the board and many of them have engineers at the helm.
No doubt they are all grunts to you.
You can add Royal Bank of Scotland, RBS, BT Retail to that. But one thing is for sure there s no one from IT on any of their boards
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Originally posted by doodab View PostI've seen several businesses fail because sales people made promises that turned out to be undeliverable.
Strategy, strategy.
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Originally posted by bobspud View PostYes. My late uncle made a fortune making parts for the British car industry. My gardener worked on the designs for The Concord. Theirs were valuable skills at one time.
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Originally posted by oracleslave View PostWell that's obviously not true. I've had whole contract where not much has happened. Doesn't mean it wasn't profitable business. FFS, Milan has made a career out of this...in Germany!
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Originally posted by doodab View PostExcept of course that if the "bit of techie stuff" doesn't get done there is no business.
Originally posted by doodab View PostOut of interest, who do you think makes the strategic decisions at companies like Daimler, BMW, Bae, Intel, Siemens? They all have engineers on the board and many of them have engineers at the helm.
Originally posted by doodab View PostNo doubt they are all grunts to you.
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Originally posted by oracleslave View PostThose roles are far more important to business and the economy than the people just "doing a bit of techie stuff."
Out of interest, who do you think makes the strategic decisions at companies like Daimler, BMW, Bae, Intel, Siemens? They all have engineers on the board and many of them have engineers at the helm.
No doubt they are all grunts to you.Last edited by doodab; 22 March 2012, 15:32.
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Originally posted by darrenb View PostEngineers viewing themselves as grunts... wouldn't happen in Germany... or at IIT in Mumbai... why is England being passed by? Self-defeating mentality.
It's how the globalised world views delivery resource.
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Originally posted by oracleslave View PostHow is listening to grunts going to help? Without sales, grunts are just superfluous overhead.
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Originally posted by doodab View PostHow is making up some bulltulip and winging it more strategic than working out whether and how something is possible before you commit to doing it?
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Originally posted by oracleslave View PostHow is listening to grunts going to help? Without sales, grunts are just superfluous overhead. It's strategic thinkers and the laws that allow them the flexibility within which to manoeuvre that are required.
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Originally posted by darrenb View PostIt doesn't matter what budget the Chancellor comes out with. Britain's economy will never recover until people stop listening to sales people and start listening to engineers -- civil, mechanical, software, etc.
It is a sea change in cultural values that is needed, and it is not going to happen overnight, if ever.
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Originally posted by doodab View PostWelcome to modern Britain, where actually doing stuff is considered monkeys work and bulltulipting is the only valuable skill.
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