P*ss P**r pay

[bobspud]

Well that's obviously not true. I've had whole contract where not much has happened. Doesn't mean it wasn't profitable business. FFS, Milan has made a career out of this...in Germany!

It's obviously not profitable for someone down the line. If you are sat doing nothing then you don't need to be there.

[Spacecadet]

Yes. My late uncle made a fortune making parts for the British car industry. My gardener worked on the designs for The Concord. Theirs were valuable skills at one time.

Which explains why your gardener got so rich he could retire when he finished there

[darrenb]

I've seen several businesses fail because sales people made promises that turned out to be undeliverable.

OK, but what's the problem if the sales people got nice bonuses and went on quickly to new jobs where they made equally successful promises?

Strategy, strategy.

[DodgyAgent]

Except of course that if the "bit of techie stuff" doesn't get done there is no business.

Out of interest, who do you think makes the strategic decisions at companies like Daimler, BMW, Bae, Intel, Siemens? They all have engineers on the board and many of them have engineers at the helm.

No doubt they are all grunts to you.

You can add Royal Bank of Scotland, RBS, BT Retail to that. But one thing is for sure there s no one from IT on any of their boards

[bobspud]

Which explains why your gardener got so rich he could retire when he finished there

He did retire. He had set up a plan B and had that ticking over on its own generating some beer money, and then he retrained for a hobby. He takes a few jobs a year to design gardens for people he likes. Rest of the time he spend renovating classic cars. not a bad way to have lived for the last 20 odd years