Originally posted by Smartie
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Originally posted by Protagoras View Post
Certainly many people hang out in the convenience corner of the security - privicy - convenience triangle.
Many of us choose carefully which Apps to use; some of us still prefer websites for financial transactions.
ps - I don’t use Google!
Having said that I'm pretty sure that those shouting loudest about the tyranny of ID checks know little about those issues and care even less.
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Originally posted by ladymuck View PostI don't have an issue with an ID card in principle. Because the UK has always shied away from them, people are forced to use other documents as proof of identity and some can be very expensive to obtain......
For once, I think Kemi said the right thing: it's just a statement to distract from Andy Burnham's shenanigans.
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Originally posted by Smartie View Post
This just isn't an argument anymore. Google and a huge number of other companies have been doing this for years and people have been pretty happy to let them get away with it, in exchange for convenient services.
If the argument is that we should trust Google more than the UK state then lol.
Many of us choose carefully which Apps to use; some of us still prefer websites for financial transactions.
ps - I don’t use Google!Last edited by Protagoras; 30 September 2025, 07:50.
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Originally posted by Protagoras View Post
The Smartphone App would want access to other things on the phone, like contacts. Then Gov could obtain data to connect people and support state surveillance of which there's already too much.
I can't see much in the way of public acceptance of anything other than a physical card. And even with that, I'd expect wide -scale protests. I really don't think Gov appreciates the extent to which the population has had enough.
If the argument is that we should trust Google more than the UK state then lol.
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Originally posted by Protagoras View Post
The Smartphone App would want access to other things on the phone, like contacts. Then Gov could obtain data to connect people and support state surveillance of which there's already too much.
I can't see much in the way of public acceptance of anything other than a physical card. And even with that, I'd expect wide -scale protests. I really don't think Gov appreciates the extent to which the population has had enough.
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Originally posted by ladymuck View PostWhat with all the smartphone thefts, is holding your ID on your phone really all that sensible?
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Originally posted by ladymuck View PostWhat with all the smartphone thefts, is holding your ID on your phone really all that sensible?
I can't see much in the way of public acceptance of anything other than a physical card. And even with that, I'd expect wide -scale protests. I really don't think Gov appreciates the extent to which the population has had enough.
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What with all the smartphone thefts, is holding your ID on your phone really all that sensible?
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Originally posted by hobnob View Postyou can get an Android phone for £69:...
You can then combine that with a £10 "pay as you go" SIM, i.e. no monthly contract,..
I've lived with an ID card now for over twenty years, it's just really handy to have one thing to prove your identity. However, unlike UK goverment plans, here you can be required to prove your identity, though you don't have to carry your id with you.
The UK government has said anyone without a smartphone will be able to have a physical card which will be free.
https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-a...-safe-13438549
Weirdly, the above article says you won't be required to show your card. So looks li
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I think the average take-away, restaurant or builder's gang would be easily fooled by a Photoshop fake.
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Originally posted by hobnob View Post
The phone that I mentioned before is 4G, and I think that would apply to any new phone that's been sold in the past few years. Bear in mind that 2G and 3G are being discontinued at network level:
3G and 2G switch-off - Ofcom
There's a wider question of how this hypothetical app will work, and the short answer is that we don't know yet. However, it's entirely possible that the phone won't need an active internet connection at all (when you're showing your ID). A couple of other options:
* It might use NFC (Near Field Communication), the same way that you can use a phone for contactless payment.
* When I use the FirstBus app, it displays an animated QR code, and the ticket machine on the bus scans that code.
I.e. the scanner will need internet access, and the phone will need internet access when you set up the app, but that could use a wireless network (at home) rather than a mobile data network.
just have a smart card, ffs.
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Originally posted by sadkingbilly View Postaffordable, maybe, although they change net specs often in order to render handsets obsolete, so they can flog new ones.
and will it work on a 2G phone?? i doubt it*
3G and 2G switch-off - Ofcom
There's a wider question of how this hypothetical app will work, and the short answer is that we don't know yet. However, it's entirely possible that the phone won't need an active internet connection at all (when you're showing your ID). A couple of other options:
* It might use NFC (Near Field Communication), the same way that you can use a phone for contactless payment.
* When I use the FirstBus app, it displays an animated QR code, and the ticket machine on the bus scans that code.
I.e. the scanner will need internet access, and the phone will need internet access when you set up the app, but that could use a wireless network (at home) rather than a mobile data network.
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostI don't have a major objection to an ID card, it's just that I doubt it will achieve what Starmer is saying it will (are people hiring illegally really going to take any notice of it?) and I fear a serious degree of scope creep. Won't happen for at least five years, so the next government will probably kill it anyway.
Given Labour's historical connections it will likely go to Oracle...
there are ways to avoid anything, if you put enough effort in.
It's the kind of thing Farage/Trump/Putin/any other proponent of police states likes though.
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