Reply to: Exploding pagers

[vetran]

Can you offer a link to those stats please?

try the slaver.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...urge-in-london

2022 versus 2014 (under Bojo).

Admittedly trip down the stairs Ken was far worse.

[Snooky]

Yes I probably over stepped with Khan the man really annoys me. He has done little for London your chances of getting killed are way higher now.

Can you offer a link to those stats please?

[vetran]

How do you find out if the majority want peace, or rid of Hamas?

Parliamentary elections would be a start but there haven't been any of those since 2006.

Well the way many of the occupied countries in previous wars is that the opposition parties contact the allies but as Hamas executed them all that may be a challenge. If Hamas are obliterated then the UN etc could arrange elections. No one linked to terrorism or Hamas could stand for election.

[woody1]

The Palestinian people need to want peace. If at any time in the last 20 years they had told the US/UK/Israel they wanted rid of Hamas it would be done.

How do you find out if the majority want peace, or rid of Hamas?

Parliamentary elections would be a start but there haven't been any of those since 2006.

[vetran]

Do you mean their elected representatives Hamas (or what's left of them)? There'll probably be some sort of cessation but I doubt it will be anything like a lasting peace.

Hezbollah is a tougher nut to crack. I doubt there'll be any peace with them either.

The Palestinian people need to want peace. If at any time in the last 20 years they had told the US/UK/Israel they wanted rid of Hamas it would be done.

[woody1]

That is another question. Hopefully we can find out what happens when the terrorists surrender or are exterminated. Will the Palestinians seek peace?

Do you mean their elected representatives Hamas (or what's left of them)? There'll probably be some sort of cessation but I doubt it will be anything like a lasting peace.

Hezbollah is a tougher nut to crack. I doubt there'll be any peace with them either.

[vetran]

Your questions kind of presuppose that the fanatics would ever want peace. They may be too far gone for that.

That is another question. Hopefully we can find out what happens when the terrorists surrender or are exterminated. Will the Palestinians seek peace?

[woody1]

Answer 2 questions

A, What happens if Hamas, Hezbollah etc put down their weapons and propose peace?

B. What happens if Israel put down their weapons and propose peace (as they did before 7th October in Gaza)?

Your questions kind of presuppose that the fanatics would ever want peace. They may be too far gone for that.

[NotAllThere]

in your opinion.
my arse, it's constant.
and, oh, look who's first with the toady likes and thanks.
quelle surprise.

I think I've made sillybilly sad...

But I did thank another post of his.

[vetran]

Israel want things to change? They want enduring and lasting peace? Correct?
The enemies don't want things to change? They'll never stop hating and wanting to eliminate jews/zionists; it's almost like it's part of their DNA? Correct?

But you say it's not down to Israel, and yet it's only them that want things to change. Well, history has shown that nothing they've done over many decades has brought about change. And, as the saying goes, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...

Now, I would be horrified but if they concluded that the old solution was scorched earth (nuke the lot of 'em) then at least they'd be doing something different.

They actually demonstrably taking the third option that they invented, cutting out the cancer surgically in the hope the area will recover. They have had an incredibly low civilian casualty rate compared to the larger western powers USA in similar circumstances its 9 dead civilians for one dead combatant. Israel is on about 2 dead civilians for one combatant (on Hamas's figures).

What we should do is support them and apply pressure to Iran & Lebanon (maybe a little regime change American style) Supporting the terrorists is no help and we should make it clear we don't want Hamas etc just as we do to Putin.

[vetran]

1. Israel have said they will cease hostilities, provided the hostages or their bodies are returned

2. Israel have proposed a resolution, several times. Each time Hamas has refused to agree or imposed impossible conditions on agreement.

However, neither of your two fantasy situations is going to arise. The likely outcome for Hamas is their destruction by elimination of their entire leadership (although they will reincarnate elsewhere no doubt). Hezbollah are in effect an arm of the Iranian military, they will not go away.

What you and the other apologists should be asking is how do we persuade Iran to stop kicking the hornet's nest.

Actually from Ben Shapiro to emphasise the difference between Israel & its enemies.

1. If Israel's enemies laid down their weapons and proposed peace the facts show Israel would be at the table after calling a cease fire.

2. If Israel laid down their weapons the state of Israel would be exterminated and the nutters would move on to the rest of the world as they told the Nazis and many more.

All those hugging terrorists are insane.

[vetran]

Ah, you've read John Buchan's novels.

Btw. I was the one who proposed your ban. The reason for it was clear. Nothing was taken out of context.

no just the full record of the meeting plus multiple historical confirmation he was there

https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-o...aid-to-hitler/

Yes I probably over stepped with Khan the man really annoys me. He has done little for London your chances of getting killed are way higher now.

I was responding to Cojak's comments as she was the one who banned me.

[malvolio]

Answer 2 questions

A, What happens if Hamas, Hezbollah etc put down their weapons and propose peace?

B. What happens if Israel put down their weapons and propose peace (as they did before 7th October in Gaza)?

1. Israel have said they will cease hostilities, provided the hostages or their bodies are returned

2. Israel have proposed a resolution, several times. Each time Hamas has refused to agree or imposed impossible conditions on agreement.

However, neither of your two fantasy situations is going to arise. The likely outcome for Hamas is their destruction by elimination of their entire leadership (although they will reincarnate elsewhere no doubt). Hezbollah are in effect an arm of the Iranian military, they will not go away.

What you and the other apologists should be asking is how do we persuade Iran to stop kicking the hornet's nest.

[malvolio]

Well if you refuse to read what I actually wrote...

Where did I even imply Israel was the cause?

Of course they're entitled to defend themselves but, if things carry on as they are, they'll still be repelling attacks in 50 years time. Their attackers don't care if this carries on ad infinitum; it's like a calling to them.

To be honest, I don't know why I even care. At the end of the day, it's just people doing what people do. Hating and killing. Over what? A load of old bollox.

No, I did read what you said. What you missed out is that Israel was already a long way into agreeing a "truce" (for want of a better word) with Saudi Arabia and other key states across the Middle East, which has now ground to a halt. In other words, Israel was already the driver for change to bring peace across the region and isolating Iran and its fanatic proxy groups.

[vetran]

Well if you refuse to read what I actually wrote...

Where did I even imply Israel was the cause?

Of course they're entitled to defend themselves but, if things carry on as they are, they'll still be repelling attacks in 50 years time. Their attackers don't care if this carries on ad infinitum; it's like a calling to them.

To be honest, I don't know why I even care. At the end of the day, it's just people doing what people do. Hating and killing. Over what? A load of old bollox.

Answer 2 questions

A, What happens if Hamas, Hezbollah etc put down their weapons and propose peace?

B. What happens if Israel put down their weapons and propose peace (as they did before 7th October in Gaza)?