Reply to: Sunak's Mass Immigration Policies in practice

[sreed]

Like I said, your cure will be worse than the disease. We're going to get a useless, prevaricating coward of a PM because people are bored of the Tories regardless f how well or badly they are delivering (and obviously it's more bad than good right now).

The best result would be a minority Labour government, it's the only way to address the key issues effectively Won't happen though...

‘More bad than good’ in your opinion, absolutely and irredeemably terrible in my opinion. The cancer that is the current government needs to be sawn off, the arrogant smirking unelected Mr Infosys who doesn’t understand that GDP per capita is what matters needs to feck off to Cali, and hopefully the election will do that.

[sreed]

Its been on an uptick for decades, remember Mandelslime sending out scouts! Of course we should've refused the people from Hong Kong and Ukraine we don't want their sort round here we just want Jihadis.

And ‘care worker’ visas, ‘student’ visas, their dependent visas, and it’s going to get worse as emigration levels continue to drop as the vast majority of the record levels of recent non-EU immigrants are not going to go back.

[malvolio]

All that comes later. First and foremost the Tories need to be punished, and punished severely for their abysmal record on immigration.

Like Sadiq Khan & ULEZ, if Sunak gets re-elected, then that’ll be spun as validation of the record levels of immigration (let alone all the other tulip they’ve done) that they have actively enabled in recent years, and that must not happen.

Like I said, your cure will be worse than the disease. We're going to get a useless, prevaricating coward of a PM because people are bored of the Tories regardless f how well or badly they are delivering (and obviously it's more bad than good right now).

The best result would be a minority Labour government, it's the only way to address the key issues effectively Won't happen though...

[vetran]

All that comes later. First and foremost the Tories need to be punished, and punished severely for their abysmal record on immigration.

Like Sadiq Khan & ULEZ, if Sunak gets re-elected, then that’ll be spun as validation of the record levels of immigration (let alone all the other tulip they’ve done) that they have actively enabled in recent years, and that must not happen.

Its been on an uptick for decades, remember Mandelslime sending out scouts! Of course we should've refused the people from Hong Kong and Ukraine we don't want their sort round here we just want Jihadis.

[sreed]

OK, I understand where you are coming from. We will have to disagree.

My only fear is that your preferred cure will be worse than the current disease - -unless you can show me any substance to Starmer's proposals for immigration (and a lot of other key issues).

All that comes later. First and foremost the Tories need to be punished, and punished severely for their abysmal record on immigration.

Like Sadiq Khan & ULEZ, if Sunak gets re-elected, then that’ll be spun as validation of the record levels of immigration (let alone all the other tulip they’ve done) that they have actively enabled in recent years, and that must not happen.

[malvolio]

Unfortunately, you're stuck in the past, like those who continue to blame Thatcher for all of our problems.

If the Tories wanted to do something, they had plenty of opportunity to do so. To his credit, Cameron even took a few actions that stemmed the flow of non-EU immigrants but unfortunately all of that was undone by following governments which deliberately chose to open the floodgates even though Brexit handed them full control of legal immigration, a luxury that Cameron didn't have.

They deserve to be punished for that, and hopefully Sunak will lose the coming election, feck off back to California and the Tories will adopt a policy that doesn't involve unsustainably high immigration levels.

OK, I understand where you are coming from. We will have to disagree.

My only fear is that your preferred cure will be worse than the current disease - -unless you can show me any substance to Starmer's proposals for immigration (and a lot of other key issues).

[sreed]

I don't have an issue with you or anyone else having a different opinion on the subject at all. It's just a shame it's not based in reality.

Unfortunately, you're stuck in the past, like those who continue to blame Thatcher for all of our problems.

If the Tories wanted to do something, they had plenty of opportunity to do so. To his credit, Cameron even took a few actions that stemmed the flow of non-EU immigrants but unfortunately all of that was undone by following governments which deliberately chose to open the floodgates even though Brexit handed them full control of legal immigration, a luxury that Cameron didn't have.

They deserve to be punished for that, and hopefully Sunak will lose the coming election, feck off back to California and the Tories will adopt a policy that doesn't involve unsustainably high immigration levels.

[malvolio]

I’m not looking for an argument or to convince you, you’re the one who responded to the OP. Is it really so hard to accept that I might have a different opinion on this?

14 years of “tens of thousands”, promising to fix it and they never did or even tried. No one is forcing the government to issue visas, you don’t even need legislation to regulate work or student visas, it’s entirely within the government’s gift.

One single example - Cameron stopped the heavily abused graduate visas which was a great move, following Tory governments brought it back and kept it running. You can keep blaming Liebour/Bliar, civil servants, etc. I’ll blame the ones in power who’ve been promising for 14 years to do one thing while delivering the exact opposite - record levels of mass permanent non-EU immigration.

I don't have an issue with you or anyone else having a different opinion on the subject at all. It's just a shame it's not based in reality.

[vetran]

Dribble dribble I don't understand facts

hmm

[sadkingbilly]

Hardly discrimination. There are obvious reasons for these.

<usual fascist polemic>

[vetran]

Tenant discrimination has been going on for years.
NO DSS,
No pets,
Professionals only.
"Affordability tests"
And the lovely Fergus Wilson "No coloureds, because of the smell of curry"
Personally I would go for No Spurs supporters, but thats just me!

Hardly discrimination. There are obvious reasons for these.

+ no smokers, drug addicts etc.

No DSS is because you are unlikely to get the rent paid, they will give a tenant with addiction issues or no money the rent payment direct. The landlord won't see it. 6-12 months later they are evicted for not paying rent.

During the roll out of Universal credit many tenants with issues were on payment to Landlord, UC reset it to direct to tenant that one change resulted in many tenants being evicted for non payment of rent. Also Councils & similar randomly withhold payment for months without sanction.

Affordability test - sorry you need to pay rent that is sort of the deal.

Professionals only - their employment history is less patchy normally. You get your rent paid.

Add that many sub cultures with difficult personal relationships may mean you will be assaulted by their violent boyfriend.

No pets - you get doors gnawed and wood scratched. If you are lucky they actually make them poo & piss outside, the fellow tenants are kept awake by barking all the time. The neighbour who feeds the birds will have a trail of corpses by their patio door. How will a new tenant with a cat/dog allergy be able to live in the house afterwards?

I suspect your work have 'no smelly food' restrictions in the rest room. Its put in a discriminatory way by Mr Wilson.However if you have ever smelt a room imbued with the scent of years of African goat or fish curry, rotten rice, other variants of curry or some of the more exotic food choices tenants cook whilst sealing the room and turning up the heating then you need to replace most of the furnishings and repaint. Its frequently worse than smoking.

If the tenant using your service costs you more than a non smoking, celibate, pet, pacifist free dentist why would you take them over the ideal?

Landlords rent housing as a business, the government & tenants want to see it as branch of social services. If it continues all those BTLs will be sold off at top dollar and no one will be able to rent except from large or corrupt organisations. How do you like them apples?

[sreed]

Which is why I gave up arguing with you. If you won't apply the lessons of history to at least try to understand why we are in this mess in the first place, and also disregard the demolition of the officials and processes that used to manage immigration, the refusal of Blair's politicised Civil Service to implement things they don't agree with and the constant attacks on the Tories' plans to curb immigration, then you will never understand the scale of the problem. If it was a simple two year fix, do you seriously believe someone wouldn't have implemented it by now?

Rant over. Bye bye.

I’m not looking for an argument or to convince you, you’re the one who responded to the OP. Is it really so hard to accept that I might have a different opinion on this?

14 years of “tens of thousands”, promising to fix it and they never did or even tried. No one is forcing the government to issue visas, you don’t even need legislation to regulate work or student visas, it’s entirely within the government’s gift.

One single example - Cameron stopped the heavily abused graduate visas which was a great move, following Tory governments brought it back and kept it running. You can keep blaming Liebour/Bliar, civil servants, etc. I’ll blame the ones in power who’ve been promising for 14 years to do one thing while delivering the exact opposite - record levels of mass permanent non-EU immigration.

[edison]

Tenant discrimination has been going on for years.
NO DSS,
No pets,
Professionals only.
"Affordability tests"
And the lovely Fergus Wilson "No coloureds, because of the smell of curry"
Personally I would go for No Spurs supporters, but thats just me!

Don't forget No Blacks and No Irish although there has been some recent questioning of whether those signs really did appear in the 60s and 70s.

Fergus Wilson - the lovely guy who along with his wife became Britain's biggest buy to let landlords with 1000 properties in Kent. I remember the quote about curry. He's since had a conviction for racially abusing a traffic warden.

[malvolio]

You’re welcome to go further back but I can only blame the lot in power that’s been promising “tens of thousands” for the past 14 years in the country that I live in and matters most to me and has had full autonomy over legal immigration (thanks to Brexit) to make good on that promise.

I don’t really give a rat’s arse about the relative trickle that are the boat people landing in Kent until the government stops handing out visas like candy. That’s just a distraction, the real long term seismic changes and damage will be done by the record levels of mass permanent non-EU immigration that the government has enthusiastically rubber stamped since Brexit.

Which is why I gave up arguing with you. If you won't apply the lessons of history to at least try to understand why we are in this mess in the first place, and also disregard the demolition of the officials and processes that used to manage immigration, the refusal of Blair's politicised Civil Service to implement things they don't agree with and the constant attacks on the Tories' plans to curb immigration, then you will never understand the scale of the problem. If it was a simple two year fix, do you seriously believe someone wouldn't have implemented it by now?

Rant over. Bye bye.

[courtg9000]

Tenant discrimination has been going on for years.
NO DSS,
No pets,
Professionals only.
"Affordability tests"
And the lovely Fergus Wilson "No coloureds, because of the smell of curry"
Personally I would go for No Spurs supporters, but thats just me!