Reply to: Conviction overturned

[vetran]

In some ways I just don't get it. If a woman is not up for it I get the physical and mental droop. I've been in bed a few times with women who at the last moment just don't want the full monty, (usually married or have boyfriends). Sometimes I got a bonus 'happy ending', but a other times walked out into a cold night trying to find a taxi. Them's the breaks.

some find the reluctance a turn on. most though find it a complete turn off.

[vetran]

Given the nature of us blokes I would geuss that a majority of rape claims are true. On the other hand, most cases are just one person's word against another, we can't just presume guilt. Some cases must be dubious too, one should not take advantage of a consenting woman who is very drunk, but if the bloke is equally drunk, is it all his fault?

If you look at the small proportion of cases that go to court and the large proportion of those that fail to actually convict then its scary how few are real.


Yes some men are animals. Not all though.

[Gibbon]

Given the nature of us blokes I would geuss that a majority of rape claims are true. On the other hand, most cases are just one person's word against another, we can't just presume guilt. Some cases must be dubious too, one should not take advantage of a consenting woman who is very drunk, but if the bloke is equally drunk, is it all his fault?

In some ways I just don't get it. If a woman is not up for it I get the physical and mental droop. I've been in bed a few times with women who at the last moment just don't want the full monty, (usually married or have boyfriends). Sometimes I got a bonus 'happy ending', but a other times walked out into a cold night trying to find a taxi. Them's the breaks.

[JustKeepSwimming]

That's the problem.

Rapist conjures up the image of some predator lurking in the shadows waiting to grab a woman off the street, but stranger rape is extremely rare. The vast majority of rapes are committed by someone familiar to the victim (partner, boyfriend, someone they've hooked up with in a club). Invariably it's committed in private, with no witnesses, so it's very hard to prove, hence the extremely low charge/conviction rates. Don't know what the answer is to that.

Majority of people do not understand consent.

BBC4 did a programme on being awoken by your partner performing sex act on you. Majority of men and women thought there was nothing wrong with it within reason.

Literally rape.

[woody1]

On the other hand, most cases are just one person's word against another...

That's the problem.

Rapist conjures up the image of some predator lurking in the shadows waiting to grab a woman off the street, but stranger rape is extremely rare. The vast majority of rapes are committed by someone familiar to the victim (partner, boyfriend, someone they've hooked up with in a club). Invariably it's committed in private, with no witnesses, so it's very hard to prove, hence the extremely low charge/conviction rates. Don't know what the answer is to that.

[SueEllen]

Given the nature of us blokes I would geuss that a majority of rape claims are true. On the other hand, most cases are just one person's word against another, we can't just presume guilt. Some cases must be dubious too, one should not take advantage of a consenting woman who is very drunk, but if the bloke is equally drunk, is it all his fault?

If the other person is comatosed by substances then yes.

Also strangulation/suffocation and injuring/killing the other person shouldn't be an excuse, as if I punch you and your head hits the pavement then I'm guilty of anything from GBH to manslaughter.

[xoggoth]

And yet the SNP wants to abolish juries in rape cases solely to increase conviction rates, and we all know what that means

Given the nature of us blokes I would geuss that a majority of rape claims are true. On the other hand, most cases are just one person's word against another, we can't just presume guilt. Some cases must be dubious too, one should not take advantage of a consenting woman who is very drunk, but if the bloke is equally drunk, is it all his fault?

[Gibbon]

Now, I hear about mis-carriages of justice and read in the media about people claiming they've been 'stitched up' and the sad thing is, I don't automatically think 'bull' but I wonder if they are in the same boat I am.

I know how you feel and yes your perspective changes. Reputation is king these days, the irony being that it takes lies and corporate corruption to maintain that squeaky clean image.

[David71]

Oh and there is now an issue that if the police give evidence in a trial depending on who is on the jury they aren't believed at all. I wonder who caused that?

The police.

I've always been extremely pro-police; got accepted into PC training 15 years ago (changes in personal circumstances meant I didn't take up the offer); over the last 20 years (some permie, most contracting) I've made a living from Police IT projects; for many years I've got hammered at my local most weekends alongside a serving PC.

In short, while I've always understood 'bad apples' exist, if someone bad mouthed 'the Police' in general in my earshot, I'd pipe up in their defence.

Until 17/02/2023 when my local force started discriminating against me....and then accepted the discriminating officers' lies without question.

Not just one officer, but the professional standards department, and then the P&CC review process; wagons were circled, evidence 'adjusted', Subject Access Request documents redacted for no reason (I have documented proof of this) and some pretty slanderous statements made.

Now, I hear about mis-carriages of justice and read in the media about people claiming they've been 'stitched up' and the sad thing is, I don't automatically think 'bull' but I wonder if they are in the same boat I am.

[Protagoras]

There doesn't seem to be any penalty for 'failure to disclose' by prosecuting authorities.

This particularly apparent in the case of the prosecution of sub-postmasters.

[JustKeepSwimming]

Scotland isn't England and Wales.

Some of us care about all areas of the Kingdom.

Oh and there is now an issue that if the police give evidence in a trial depending on who is on the jury they aren't believed at all. I wonder who caused that?

The police.

[SueEllen]

And yet the SNP wants to abolish juries in rape cases solely to increase conviction rates, and we all know what that means

Scotland isn't England and Wales.

Oh and there is now an issue that if the police give evidence in a trial depending on who is on the jury they aren't believed at all. I wonder who caused that?

[vetran]

My experience from viewing multiple trials is that the CPS & Police would have trouble prosecuting a parking ticket.

As with the Kevin Spacey trial there appears to be a jump on the bandwagon style 'victim' which doesn't result in prosecution for the accusers.

[JustKeepSwimming]

Some convictions are insane. The post office scandal or that couple jailed for murdering their babies when nobody thought to raise the possibility of a genetic factor, probably loads of others online. You wonder how the justice system can be so daft sometimes.

You will be shocked how many times CPS turns up at magistrates court with an empty case file. They do a last ditch effort to pressure the defendant to just plead guilty, if they don't they withdraw the case. Granted it's low level offences.

And yet the SNP wants to abolish juries in rape cases solely to increase conviction rates, and we all know what that means

[SueEllen]

Until the people who with wilful intent carried on with things like this are properly punished then it will go on.


Someone close to me complained to their employer (a Council no less) about been gaslighted and was ignored. They put a grievance in about it been ignored and the council created false evidence that an investigation had took place. It was only through FOI and a meta data analysis that the fraud could be proven. No one was punished, but it cost the council a lot.

They then move on and work for L&Q housing and similar.