Conviction overturned

[vetran]

My experience from viewing multiple trials is that the CPS & Police would have trouble prosecuting a parking ticket.

As with the Kevin Spacey trial there appears to be a jump on the bandwagon style 'victim' which doesn't result in prosecution for the accusers.

[SueEllen]

And yet the SNP wants to abolish juries in rape cases solely to increase conviction rates, and we all know what that means

Scotland isn't England and Wales.

Oh and there is now an issue that if the police give evidence in a trial depending on who is on the jury they aren't believed at all. I wonder who caused that?

[JustKeepSwimming]

Scotland isn't England and Wales.

Some of us care about all areas of the Kingdom.

Oh and there is now an issue that if the police give evidence in a trial depending on who is on the jury they aren't believed at all. I wonder who caused that?

The police.

[Protagoras]

There doesn't seem to be any penalty for 'failure to disclose' by prosecuting authorities.

This particularly apparent in the case of the prosecution of sub-postmasters.

[David71]

Oh and there is now an issue that if the police give evidence in a trial depending on who is on the jury they aren't believed at all. I wonder who caused that?

The police.

I've always been extremely pro-police; got accepted into PC training 15 years ago (changes in personal circumstances meant I didn't take up the offer); over the last 20 years (some permie, most contracting) I've made a living from Police IT projects; for many years I've got hammered at my local most weekends alongside a serving PC.

In short, while I've always understood 'bad apples' exist, if someone bad mouthed 'the Police' in general in my earshot, I'd pipe up in their defence.

Until 17/02/2023 when my local force started discriminating against me....and then accepted the discriminating officers' lies without question.

Not just one officer, but the professional standards department, and then the P&CC review process; wagons were circled, evidence 'adjusted', Subject Access Request documents redacted for no reason (I have documented proof of this) and some pretty slanderous statements made.

Now, I hear about mis-carriages of justice and read in the media about people claiming they've been 'stitched up' and the sad thing is, I don't automatically think 'bull' but I wonder if they are in the same boat I am.

[Gibbon]

Now, I hear about mis-carriages of justice and read in the media about people claiming they've been 'stitched up' and the sad thing is, I don't automatically think 'bull' but I wonder if they are in the same boat I am.

I know how you feel and yes your perspective changes. Reputation is king these days, the irony being that it takes lies and corporate corruption to maintain that squeaky clean image.

[xoggoth]

And yet the SNP wants to abolish juries in rape cases solely to increase conviction rates, and we all know what that means

Given the nature of us blokes I would geuss that a majority of rape claims are true. On the other hand, most cases are just one person's word against another, we can't just presume guilt. Some cases must be dubious too, one should not take advantage of a consenting woman who is very drunk, but if the bloke is equally drunk, is it all his fault?

[SueEllen]

Given the nature of us blokes I would geuss that a majority of rape claims are true. On the other hand, most cases are just one person's word against another, we can't just presume guilt. Some cases must be dubious too, one should not take advantage of a consenting woman who is very drunk, but if the bloke is equally drunk, is it all his fault?

If the other person is comatosed by substances then yes.

Also strangulation/suffocation and injuring/killing the other person shouldn't be an excuse, as if I punch you and your head hits the pavement then I'm guilty of anything from GBH to manslaughter.

[woody1]

On the other hand, most cases are just one person's word against another...

That's the problem.

Rapist conjures up the image of some predator lurking in the shadows waiting to grab a woman off the street, but stranger rape is extremely rare. The vast majority of rapes are committed by someone familiar to the victim (partner, boyfriend, someone they've hooked up with in a club). Invariably it's committed in private, with no witnesses, so it's very hard to prove, hence the extremely low charge/conviction rates. Don't know what the answer is to that.

[JustKeepSwimming]

That's the problem.

Rapist conjures up the image of some predator lurking in the shadows waiting to grab a woman off the street, but stranger rape is extremely rare. The vast majority of rapes are committed by someone familiar to the victim (partner, boyfriend, someone they've hooked up with in a club). Invariably it's committed in private, with no witnesses, so it's very hard to prove, hence the extremely low charge/conviction rates. Don't know what the answer is to that.

Majority of people do not understand consent.

BBC4 did a programme on being awoken by your partner performing sex act on you. Majority of men and women thought there was nothing wrong with it within reason.

Literally rape.