She ain't one of us....

[NotAllThere]

Best way to reduce racism...

See my sig.

[NotAllThere]

Its as offensive as a lady of recent African extraction complaining that the Royal Balcony is horribly white.

She said "Terribly white". Most people understand "terribly" in this context to mean, like "awfully", means "very".

Only very stupid people understood "terribly", in this context, to mean "horribly".

So well done!

[NotAllThere]

they were covered up for exactly the same reason the police and local bigwigs feared exposure so the abusers got a free pass.

No, the former were covered up because they didn't want to rock the establishment. The latter were covered up because they didn't want to be accused of Islamaphobia.

And well done you for totally failing to understand that I was picking up WTFH on his whataboutery.

[vetran]

Society of Asian lawyers aren't all Muslim and some are/were active members of the Conservative party.

Likewise not all Muslims are Asian.

But you know that before moaning about the groups being racist and discriminatory.

I can never be 'Asian' you are born that way so that is totally racially biased.

Whilst I could convert to Islam, most are born that way, sadly many would not accept me.

Its as offensive as a lady of recent African extraction complaining that the Royal Balcony is horribly white.

As Malvolio says they don't need the labels to set them apart, they are quite capable of doing that by their actions.

[xoggoth]

Malvolio taking most sense on CUK as usual. Best way to reduce racism is to work with human nature, you ain't going to change it by waving placards. Making sure that those who come to Britain are high performers we can respect changes peoples' perceptions. And blanket terms like black, white, Muslim etc. are very broad, it is far more complex than that.

Don't think it helps to keep going on about race, doubt it gives young ethnics hope for the future. While it is a good idea in some areas, more equality in the police, for example, may improve trust, I don't generally go with preferential treatment for people based on ethnicity. Just another form of racism in my view. Best to ignore ethnicity and judge individuals on their own qualities. In any case, different groups do have different strengths and interests. As long as they are doing something useful that's all that matters.

[malvolio]

Society of Asian lawyers aren't all Muslim and some are/were active members of the Conservative party.

Likewise not all Muslims are Asian.

But you know that before moaning about the groups being racist and discriminatory.

The point is, why do they need such labels. If their point is that "muslims" are being discriminated against (just like that Sunak feller, for example) then sticking a big label on themselves is not a good way to promote the point that they are integrated into society other than for a tiny minority of mouth breathers. Who would take no notice of such a label anyway.

If the UK population as a whole, regardless of religion, colour, sexual proclivities or anything else that's fashionable at the moment were to talk about themselves as just members of the UK population rather than labelling their particular and largely irrelevant sub-group with a big sign, they might just find a lot of their discrimination fades away, or never actually existed.

[SueEllen]

luckily there is no racism or discrimination in the groups that accuse her

Society of Asian lawyers aren't all Muslim and some are/were active members of the Conservative party.

Likewise not all Muslims are Asian.

But you know that before moaning about the groups being racist and discriminatory.

[vetran]

luckily there is no racism or discrimination in the groups that accuse her

Nine organisations including the Society of Asian Lawyers, the Association of Muslim Lawyers and the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants have written to the Bar Standards Board urging it to investigate and take action against what they claim is racist and inflammatory language used by the home secretary about British men of Pakistani heritage and asylum seekers.

[vetran]

And aren’t kiddy-fiddling priests in UK/Ireland predominantly not of “sub continental ethnicity”?

whataboutery becomes WhatTheFeckery.

[vetran]

So there's gangs of priests AND gangs of subcontinental ethnicity into grooming sexual victims. Both were covered up initially, but for rather differing reasons.

they were covered up for exactly the same reason the police and local bigwigs feared exposure so the abusers got a free pass.

[xoggoth]

Of course there are lots of white Brit child fiddlers but the point about the Bradford grooming (and a number of other cities) is they were more coordinated and, due to concerns about being seen as racist, were initally ignored by the authorities. As I recall it was a Labour MP, forget her name, who first publicly expressed concerns.

I agree with Malvolio, we should avoid rhetoric that denigrates any group as a whole, but we should not ignore realities. Braverman is right on other things too, Albanians are disproportionately involved in drug crime and it is foolish not to crack down on unchecked migration from there. Links, all from liberal/lefty papers, not the DM:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uk-drugs-crime
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2225750.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...caine-28952848

[NotAllThere]

And aren’t kiddy-fiddling priests in UK/Ireland predominantly not of “sub continental ethnicity”?

So there's gangs of priests AND gangs of subcontinental ethnicity into grooming sexual victims. Both were covered up initially, but for rather differing reasons.

[WTFH]

Grauniad. Ignore.

I may be wrong but weren't the people prosecuted as part of the Bradford grooming gang(s) predominantly of sub-contitental ethnicity? It is a measure of the world we live in that accurate adjectives are now described as hate speech...

And aren’t kiddy-fiddling priests in UK/Ireland predominantly not of “sub continental ethnicity”?

[malvolio]

Grauniad. Ignore.

I may be wrong but weren't the people prosecuted as part of the Bradford grooming gang(s) predominantly of sub-contitental ethnicity? It is a measure of the world we live in that accurate adjectives are now described as hate speech...

[SueEllen]

Complaints about Braverman made to Bar board

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...acist-language

Lawyers and faith organisations have lodged a complaint with the Bar Standards Board claiming the home secretary Suella Braverman, a qualified barrister, has breached the body’s code of conduct with “racist sentiments and discriminatory narratives”.
Although Braverman has not practised as a barrister since becoming an MP in 2015 she is still subject to certain professional rules governing conduct by the Bar Standards Board which regulates barristers in England and Wales.

The body has a remit to examine the conduct of barristers who are not currently practising but who remain members of the profession and are subject to conduct rules and are expected to “conduct themselves in an appropriate manner”.