Reply to: Should they stay or should they go now?

[ladymuck]

They have a national government which a huge majority of their country voted against. They have been forced to leave the EU even though they are hugely pro-EU. That is the biggest thing impacting them so it's not hard to see why this causes unrest and the geographical distance doesn't help either.

I completely understand the argument but that's the consequence of the vote being UK-wide. The nuances are drowned out for a few percentage point swings one way or the other that tipped the balance.

Because they're not quite that bloody stupid. Why would the English vote for an MP whose main priority is Scotland rather than their constituency?

The English are nothing if not contrary and it would not surprise me if they won a few seats here and there. Granted, they wouldn't get a government. However, if there was more significant SNP presence in Westminster, coming from English constituencies, it would make for an interesting change in the balance of power. I wonder if, with more central government influence, the need for independence might dissipate.

[ladymuck]

And judging by how the uk government has done in the last years do you have realistic hopes for this?

That's a lazy come back. How far back do you want to go before you find a government that was all things to all people in order to recreate whatever rose-tinted view you have?

I fully believe that huge change in government and public services is needed. Sadly I don't think we've hit rock bottom yet for the peasants to revolt and demand that change. Partly that's because the alternatives either side of the border do not instil confidence and partly it's because no two people can agree on what that change should look like.

All parties lack someone with a clear vision and strength of character to implement it in the face of what is generally a noisy minority. Until that person turns up, we have what we have.

[d000hg]

I agree. Boris is just the latest target for the SNP to bitch about as it's always easier to blame Westminster than it is to look at the local reasons for their issues.

They have a national government which a huge majority of their country voted against. They have been forced to leave the EU even though they are hugely pro-EU. That is the biggest thing impacting them so it's not hard to see why this causes unrest and the geographical distance doesn't help either.

The only way the SNP could claim that any government isn't trying to stitch up Scotland on a daily basis is by getting an SNP-led government into Westminster. Why they don't field more candidates in England, I don't know.

Because they're not quite that bloody stupid. Why would the English vote for an MP whose main priority is Scotland rather than their constituency?

[vetran]

People need to realise there isn't a National Health Service, it's a collection of Trusts, most of which are hopelessly inefficient.

how dare you say that the NHS is world beating if you are a manager looking for a good salary.

[vetran]

<NoBrainer mode>
They are obviously a bunch of knuckle dragging racists that don't appreciate being ruled by a un democratic remote government.
They should vote leave and reap the whirlwind of losing subsidies and influence.
They will be begging to rejoin a few days/years/decades/centuries/millennia after they dare to leave.
Of course without the love and (in this case) money the motherland provide, their health and crime outcomes will of course be much better.
Lets hope they keep the signs away from buses.
</NoBrainer mode>

In touch with my inner remainer.

Maybe they think now oil is up the math makes sense.

[malvolio]

And judging by how the uk government has done in the last years do you have realistic hopes for this?

People need to realise there isn't a National Health Service, it's a collection of Trusts, most of which are hopelessly inefficient.

[jainnode]

it took 6 weeks to get hold of a printed copy of the tests so I could pass them onto my GP and be referred for follow ups.

It regularly takes 5-6 weeks for my GP in london to get test results from the local NHS trust.

[PCTNN]

I expect there's a myriad of things like that which the union could, and should, do better that will benefit us all.

And judging by how the uk government has done in the last years do you have realistic hopes for this?

[PCTNN]

Or perhaps England are smart enough to see the utter ruin Wee Burnie's plans will inflict on Scotland?

Would be interesting to see what the english would think if the situation was the opposite: Scotland wanting to keep the union and england wanting to leave....

[ladymuck]

Rubbish. Scotland was electing a vast majority of SNP Westminster MP's and voting in SNP Scottish Parliaments since long before BloJo was in charge.

I agree. Boris is just the latest target for the SNP to bitch about as it's always easier to blame Westminster than it is to look at the local reasons for their issues.

The only way the SNP could claim that any government isn't trying to stitch up Scotland on a daily basis is by getting an SNP-led government into Westminster. Why they don't field more candidates in England, I don't know.

[ladymuck]

It's such a weird situation: england consider Scotland such a pain in the arse, a country full of debt and problems, and yet they can't face the thought of letting us go and be without us.

I think Scotland has been let down by the SNP but due to the utter tulipeness of the other parties, the SNP keep getting elected.

I have no issue with Scotland going for independence if that's what they truly want but it seems to me the SNP are selling a silk purse but will only be able to deliver a sow's ear.

I would much prefer the union to remain intact with increased integration of some key services. Having fallen ill in Glasgow last year and ended up in QEUH A&E, it took 6 weeks to get hold of a printed copy of the tests so I could pass them onto my GP and be referred for follow ups. If there was better joining up of NHS services, that data could have been directly transferred to my GP same/next day. I expect there's a myriad of things like that which the union could, and should, do better that will benefit us all.

[d000hg]

and yet they can't face the thought of letting us go and be without us.

Where do you get that impression from? The unionists think union is better, but that's not everyone.

[malvolio]

It's such a weird situation: england consider Scotland such a pain in the arse, a country full of debt and problems, and yet they can't face the thought of letting us go and be without us.

Or perhaps England are smart enough to see the utter ruin Wee Burnie's plans will inflict on Scotland?

[PCTNN]

It's such a weird situation: england consider Scotland such a pain in the arse, a country full of debt and problems, and yet they can't face the thought of letting us go and be without us.

[TestMangler]

If Boris Johnson goes there is a chance of them staying.

Rubbish. Scotland was electing a vast majority of SNP Westminster MP's and voting in SNP Scottish Parliaments since long before BloJo was in charge.