Reply to: I want RT back!

[Paddy]

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/ is a good source of information. It still uses the forbidden word "invasion" .
It's in EN and amid at English speaking ex-pats in Moscow. I used to get the paper version whenever I was in Moscow.

[DealorNoDeal]

Didn't the last person who tried that with Putin on British soil end up with a "special" tea?

Yep, "glow in the dark" tea.

[SueEllen]

Thought you were addressing Putin there for a minute.

Didn't the last person who tried that with Putin on British soil end up with a "special" tea?

[DealorNoDeal]

You have been exhibiting paranoid delusions for a long time and are obviously not well. If you are lonely, isolated, and surrounded by people of a similar disposition then you are very likely to get worse and worse. You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Thought you were addressing Putin there for a minute.

[NotAllThere]

Swan Lake has significance in Russia - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-...ssia/100881424

A very neat act of resistance.

[SueEllen]

Only ballet I've ever been to was in Moscow when I was on a business trip. Modern thing involving an airport.

Back in USSR times. I remember going to the toilet and a guard followed me in holding a rifle.

Swan Lake has significance in Russia - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-...ssia/100881424

[xoggoth]

Only ballet I've ever been to was in Moscow when I was on a business trip. Modern thing involving an airport.

Back in USSR times. I remember going to the toilet and a guard followed me in holding a rifle.

[SueEllen]

Ladies and Gentlemen I give you Swan Lake -

[d000hg]

I agree. I am not suggesting that Puking's actions are not totally over the top. The point I am making is that few issues are entirely black and white

Few, but not all by your own argument. Wouldn't you say one country invading another to "denazify a western puppet state" is one?

[agentzero]

I agree. I am not suggesting that Puking's actions are not totally over the top. The point I am making is that few issues are entirely black and white and we should not rush to dismiss all concerns from the other side as lies and propaganda. There may be some valid concerns about treatment of pro Russian activists in Ukraine and we should take them into account if we ever get to negotiate over this war. Pretty unlikely with that nutcase in charge I admit.

PS There we are, Puking, a much better name.

Russia's Kremlin have hired theatre directors to ensure constant disinformation sprinkled with solid facts. This means that nobody living in Russia really knows what is going on most or all of the time. They fund protests from far left all the way through to far right, including neo nazis and violent gangs. Why do they do this? Because it allows them a degree of control of those groups, increasing and decreasing funding, using FSB agents to help organise events - it is Orwellian

RT.com having 1 or 2 solidly factual articles a week is to try lure vulnerable people in (Gigibronz), providing some credibility, which means the other rubbish posted might be believed or given credibility by the very fact some of the articles are indeed true.

If people think that the BBC or UK Government do the above and control in such a way, they need to lower their meds.

[agentzero]

Yeah freeking ban me already. This forum is crap and manned by mi5 bots anyway.

if you want to discredit someone guys please bring flat eart also into the conv.
that was the big thing when making normal people feel superior to some idiot beliving in a flat earth.

I do not believe any of the above btw.

See post:
https://forums.contractoruk.com/gene...ml#post2921583

You have been exhibiting paranoid delusions for a long time and are obviously not well. If you are lonely, isolated, and surrounded by people of a similar disposition then you are very likely to get worse and worse. You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

[xoggoth]

As for Elon Musk, he is not a cretin, but he does have a habit of saying some very silly things on occasion

Not sure there is any correlation between common sense/practicality and intelligence. Some pretty bright people embrace daft ideas.

[jamesbrown]

All news sources are partially propaganda, some more than others.

This is a transparent lie that comes naturally to conspiracy theorists, cretins, and people with a distinct agenda.

All independent news channels offer a perspective, sure, but the difference between an independent news channel and a mouthpiece of the state is that one deals with analysis and opinions that are qualified as such and without draconian controls, undue partiality or fakery. The other deals in lies and disinformation that comes from the top. In short, legitimate news respects the basic rules of journalistic inquiry and integrity and they put safeguards in place to ensure it. Even Fox News falls within this category because, despite the strong editorial line, they distinguish between news/analysis and opinion and they have journalists that are critical of the editorial line (e.g., Jennifer Griffin).

The distinction is quite clearcut, either news is editorially independent of the state or it isn't, and only the hard of thinking are confused by any ambiguity that is injected by cretins that are trying to pander. As for Elon Musk, he is not a cretin, but he does have a habit of saying some very silly things on occasion. More generally, it is remarkable how the thickest among us proliferate the lie that nothing and no one can be trusted.

[xoggoth]

Two wrongs don't make a right.
Putin does not care a f**k about Russians in the Ukraine, he just wants Ukraine as part of greater Russia.
Ukraine is the frontline for Europe and NATO, if Ukraine falls next could be the Baltic States or Romania.

I agree. I am not suggesting that Puking's actions are not totally over the top. The point I am making is that few issues are entirely black and white and we should not rush to dismiss all concerns from the other side as lies and propaganda. There may be some valid concerns about treatment of pro Russian activists in Ukraine and we should take them into account if we ever get to negotiate over this war. Pretty unlikely with that nutcase in charge I admit.

PS There we are, Puking, a much better name.

[NotAllThere]

“All news sources are partially propaganda, some more than others.”

This idea is an old propaganda trick to fool the hard of thinking into believing all news sources have some value. Especially the one which is promoting this idea.

Anyway, you can still access rt.com if you need your regular diet of lies, half-truths and misleading arguments.