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Oh Lewis thinks it is a sham, like many other drivers. But he knows the spotlight he's in and takes his role-model status seriously especially to black kids, and the importance of sportsmanship. It's his team's job to fight it, not his. I note even Toto went to congratulate Max - they have no beef with him.
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Originally posted by mattster View Post
Agreed. He handled that with far better grace than I think I could have mustered - kudos to him.
I was wondering whether there is any precedent for honouring a leader in these sorts of situations - as in, Max just holding back and letting Lewis win given the unfairness of the situation (of which he must have been aware). If he'd done that he could have aquired legend status himself, and still gone on to have a very good career I'm sure. I wonder if Lewis would have done it if the situation was reversed.
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Originally posted by mattster View Post
Agreed. He handled that with far better grace than I think I could have mustered - kudos to him.
I was wondering whether there is any precedent for honouring a leader in these sorts of situations - as in, Max just holding back and letting Lewis win given the unfairness of the situation (of which he must have been aware). If he'd done that he could have aquired legend status himself, and still gone on to have a very good career I'm sure. I wonder if Lewis would have done it if the situation was reversed.
In this case, the sportsman has to go with what's happening. Remember it was very chaotic and changing by the moment - up until the last moment - so trying to second guess the situation could make you look daft. Red Bull brought Max in hoping he would get just that chance, neither of them would have behaved differently if the situation was reversed. It'd be like refusing to take a penalty you weren't sure was legitimate... your job is to take it, and let the decision be reviewed afterwards if deemed necessary.
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Originally posted by Gibbon View PostIn some ways Lewis has come out on top, because he's shown
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same; (Kipling)
Which is a greater achievement than any shiny bangles.
I was wondering whether there is any precedent for honouring a leader in these sorts of situations - as in, Max just holding back and letting Lewis win given the unfairness of the situation (of which he must have been aware). If he'd done that he could have aquired legend status himself, and still gone on to have a very good career I'm sure. I wonder if Lewis would have done it if the situation was reversed.
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Originally posted by Gibbon View PostIn some ways Lewis has come out on top, because he's shown
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same; (Kipling)
Which is a greater achievement than any shiny bangles.
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In some ways Lewis has come out on top, because he's shown
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same; (Kipling)
Which is a greater achievement than any shiny bangles.
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostOr for that matter if Max hadn't come in for new tyres and still managed to pass Lewis on the last lap
Point is - and something that may well come up in later discussions - is that Sainz in third in the Ferrari could probably have challenged Max over that lap if he didn't have lapped cars in the way. That, as much as the arbitrary change of mind by Masi, is the real argument. You're not supposed to favour one outcome over another.
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostOr for that matter if Max hadn't come in for new tyres and still managed to pass Lewis on the last lap
I'm not an F1 fan usually, not seen it in decades. Won't be watching again for another few decades after that spectacle.
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostAnother key point which is somewhat lost is that there were lapped cars between Lewis (1st) and Max (2nd) but also between Max and the Ferrari of Sainz (3rd). The former were told to get out of the way but not the latter. If this was not the case it's entirely possible that Sainz could have overtaken Max, or tussled with him, preventing his easy pass on Lewis.
Effectively the FIA set things up so we were guaranteed a "final lap shootout" between Lewis and Max with all other cars kept out of the picture so they couldn't spoil it. Except it wasn't a final lap shootout, because of the tyre difference - new viewers might have thought it was very exciting to see them 'fight' the last lap but everyone who knows the sport knew Max would easily overtake unless Lewis crashed into him.
Had Lewis won behind the safety car at least I would have thought it was a good outcome.
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Another key point which is somewhat lost is that there were lapped cars between Lewis (1st) and Max (2nd) but also between Max and the Ferrari of Sainz (3rd). The former were told to get out of the way but not the latter. If this was not the case it's entirely possible that Sainz could have overtaken Max, or tussled with him, preventing his easy pass on Lewis.
Effectively the FIA set things up so we were guaranteed a "final lap shootout" between Lewis and Max with all other cars kept out of the picture so they couldn't spoil it. Except it wasn't a final lap shootout, because of the tyre difference - new viewers might have thought it was very exciting to see them 'fight' the last lap but everyone who knows the sport knew Max would easily overtake unless Lewis crashed into him.
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