Reply to: Sign the client is a timewaster

[vetran]

That's not the only thing that makes you 'special'

hello darlink its still a no!

[OwlHoot]

ohh SNMP putting me above the crowd ooooh!

I know, I hate the fecking thing. The syntax doesn't even parse categorically (when used to its full extent, which no sane person would do).

But that very example has helped me bag more than one contract!

[GigiBronz]

1. A competency and complexity level way beyond what most management can handle.
2. Far too much work

If it's not working out for you, then have you considered that maybe you're not very good?

I have considered indeed but I don't think it is the case. Usually I was among the top performers with the previous clients. I might lack some communication skills and some of the tech skills are outdated but I think there are also other factors to consider. Most of which not sure I fully understand. Hence this is a conversation that could potentially help myself and others experiencing similar circumstances.

[NotAllThere]

What do you think it is stopping them? With the new immigration policy it is free for the grabs. Previously it was slightly more difficult.

1. A competency and complexity level way beyond what most management can handle.
2. Far too much work

If it's not working out for you, then have you considered that maybe you're not very good?

[GigiBronz]

Businesses don't do that, or at least the many businesses I've worked for don't do that. Certain consultancies might if they have a vested interest in bringing in offshore skills, but UK based corporates don't.

Who is this job with?

four letter energy provider.

Why not? What do you think it is stopping them? With the new immigration policy it is free for the grabs. Previously it was slightly more difficult.

[Whorty]

They tend to be, so called generation snowflake. A lot are also very easily offended, talking with them is like a minefield. I have thick skin.

Well, I think in the very spirit of the thread this is an example of a client that does not have a role and is just doing interviews for interview's sake.
If you have 6 stages with at least 2 days between them, you'll easily get to a month and no good resource stays on the market for that long.

People more aware of how it works please correct me but: I think that they have to build proof that they've looked for resources in UK before being able to bring someone from outside. And this is very much the case with a lot of the roles I've encountered.

They need some poor buggers to be refused for pesky reasons so they can build-up the file and bring a resource on short leash.

Businesses don't do that, or at least the many businesses I've worked for don't do that. Certain consultancies might if they have a vested interest in bringing in offshore skills, but UK based corporates don't.

Who is this job with?

[GigiBronz]

Are all 31 year olds such whingers, or are you an exception? If you want a job, roll up your sleeves and get on with it. If not, stop complaining.

You're a contractor. You run a company. It takes work for a company to win new business. See the interview process as a sales process, that's all. Or think like a permie and see it as a job interview.

They tend to be, so called generation snowflake. A lot are also very easily offended, talking with them is like a minefield. I have thick skin.

Well, I think in the very spirit of the thread this is an example of a client that does not have a role and is just doing interviews for interview's sake.
If you have 6 stages with at least 2 days between them, you'll easily get to a month and no good resource stays on the market for that long.

People more aware of how it works please correct me but: I think that they have to build proof that they've looked for resources in UK before being able to bring someone from outside. And this is very much the case with a lot of the roles I've encountered.

They need some poor buggers to be refused for pesky reasons so they can build-up the file and bring a resource on short leash.

[vetran]

I worked at a little chef for a while. Only evenings and weekends as I was at school at time. Didn't stay for very long, probably only about 3 or 4 months.

about the same it was while I was at college a happy few months earning drinking vouchers and bunking off.

[vetran]

ROSCOE script development.

I can write "Grip", but not this famous one http://docs.aviacons.ru:8383/data_se...ro/int_ov.html even more obscure. Probably 20-50 people who have ever written it in anger.

[BR14]

INFOMAN panel exits in HLAL

[vetran]

I'd tell you a SNMP joke but you might not get it.

now you're trappped!

[NotAllThere]

I'm not sure that including the 8085 assembler or the GA16-220 FORTRAN IV have ever done much though, to be sure, they're pretty obscure.

Or the HP Rocky Mountain Basic.

ROSCOE script development.

[DoctorStrangelove]

In my experience, the obscure technologes, such as SNMP, are especially well-worth including as these can put you above the crowd

I'm not sure that including the 8085 assembler or the GA16-220 FORTRAN IV have ever done much though, to be sure, they're pretty obscure.

Or the HP Rocky Mountain Basic.

[krytonsheep]

Got approached by the internal hiring team from a company. Their recruitment process looks like this:

Our hiring process will take an average of 10 days:

Stage 1 - Phone Interview - 20min
Stage 2 - Take Home Technical Challenge - 2h
Stage 3 - Technical interview - 90 min
Stage 4 - Planning & Delivery Interview - 60min
Stage 5 - Meet the CTO or Engineering Manager
Stage 6 - Meet the team

What a wonderful time to be alive.

Personally, I think that process is way over the top for contractors that can be let go of in a blink of eye ( assuming it's a contract role).

But on the flip side as Whorty said, if you think of it as a sales process, it's not that bad. Let's say the gig is £450 a day (outside IR35, agency is getting paid £500), you work 48 weeks a year and you stay there for 36 months. For them they'll be paying out a total of £360k (exc VAT), so I can understand why they want to have a few extra stages to find someone who can do the work and is going to fit in.

[BillHicksRIP]

I'd tell you a SNMP joke but you might not get it.