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[minestrone]

BLM in the UK is anti-capitalist movement. The US one is focused far more on inequality of treatment.

I said it at the start, but certain triggered members here tried to demonstrate that BLM in the US is just the same as in the UK. Which it isn't.

*Curb your enthusiasm music*

Vietnamese Baptist Church Burned in Philadelphia During Black Lives Matter Riots

[vetran]

OK, triggered, do you know the difference between causation and correlation?
Is the increase in shootings purely being carried out by those involved in BLM?
Is your logic that if someone shoots a protestor that the protestor is 100% to blame?

And, of course, your chosen source is choosing "BLM = Democrat, therefore everyone MUST vote Trump to end all shootings in the US."

Oh I forget you believe in things happening in mysterious ways. So the twofold to tenfold increase is just random and nothing to do with the Police either being tied up policing the demonstrations or by protestors either side shooting each other or their own or even completely innocent people.


10 seconds of googling and 5 people killed as a direct result of BLM lawlessness.

Two teenagers shot in Seattle'''s Chop autonomous zone - BBC News

A teenager has been killed and another critically wounded in a shooting in Seattle's autonomous zone.One teenager, 16, was fatally shot and died after being taken to hospital. The other victim, 14, is in intensive care.


The zone, initially known as Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (Chaz) and now called Capitol Hill Occupied Protest (Chop), was set up amid protests over the killing of George Floyd.


As it is part of a protest against police brutality, it is self-policing.

Although the site was initially occupied by hundreds of peaceful protesters, this is the fourth shooting within the boundaries of Chop in the last 10 days.In the first shooting, which happened in the early hours of 20 June, a 19-year-old man called Horace Lorenzo Anderson was killed and a 33-year-old man was injured.


A second shooting the next day left a 17-year-old boy injured, and another person was wounded in a third shooting two days later.

Father of 8-year-old fatally shot in Atlanta addresses BLM movement: 'They say black lives matter. You killed your own'

The father of an 8-year-old who was shot and killed in Atlanta over Fourth of July weekend issued a strong message to Black Lives Matter activists following his daughter’s death.Secoriea Turner was shot and killed Saturday when a group opened fire on a car she was in near a Wendy's where Rayshard Brooks was shot and killed. Her parents, Secoriya Williamson and Charmaine Turner, joined Atlanta Mayor Keisha Bottoms during a Sunday night press conference, where Williamson addressed the Black Lives Matter movement.
“They say black lives matter,” Turner’s father said. “You killed your own. You killed your own this time. … They killed my baby because she crossed the barrier and made a U-turn. You killed a child. She didn’t do nothing to nobody,” he said.

My source was the Israel National news their writer may be anti democrat but they did quote figures from reputable sources. Do point out a democrat explaining the issue.

[vetran]

Not helpful to turn everything into a race issue, it probably gives young ethnics less hope for their future. Think the major problem is inequality which has been driven by low skilled immigration. If your parents are manual workers you have less chance of high achieving than those born to affluent parents regardless of ethnicity. There's some predominantly white deprived places in the UK. Best approach is to ignore race and focus on improving lots of all lower skilled workers.

Think this bloke, like Trevor Phillips, seems very sensible:

Ethnic minority Covid risk '''not explained by racism''' - BBC News

Some ethnicities/cultures will achieve better outcomes than others, much of this is down to cultural differences not discrimination. Why traditionally do Pakistanis do worse than Indians in UK education until 60 odd years ago they were the same country?

[WTFH]

OK so you are apologising for an organisation that is campaigning based on proven lies and has driven deaths up astronomically in the US?

Black Lives Matter led to record number of mass shootings - Opeds - Israel National News



Using weasel words to claim an organisation that is openly wishing to work towards anarchy is pretty offensive.

Judge people and organisations by their actions, there are plenty of things wrong that need fixing where the door is already open. Slavery still happens across the world including Africa's favourite customer for slaves Arabia, stop and search appearing to target BAME, poorer education & Job outcomes. To name a few.

The actual actions of BLM seem to be pulling down centuries old statues of merchants that took part in a millennia old trade which the UK decided needed to be stopped. Or vandalising statues of national heroes on tenuous grounds. Hardly moving the argument forward.

If being saddened by that is in your opinion is being "triggered" it says more about you than me.

In Portland, where there have been over 100 days of BLM riots, shootings shot up from 299 for all of 2019 to 488 for the year so far. In the first month of BLM protests, shootings nearly doubled from 31 in 2019 to 61. In August, the shootings nearly tripled relative to 2019.
In Austin, the murder rate rose 67 percent. At the end of August, the city recorded three murders in 24 hours. A homeless woman was shot when 60 hurricane evacuees began fighting in the street and shooting each other.
“We know we have at least 23 rounds discharged last night,” Chief David McKichan mentioned at one press conference.
In New York City, shootings rose 140 percent since the period roughly overlapping with BLM riots. And murders rose by over 50 percent. Behind those numbers are 90 murder victims. They’re part of the political price that Mayor Bill de Blasio and New York Democrats paid for their support for BLM.

OK, triggered, do you know the difference between causation and correlation?
Is the increase in shootings purely being carried out by those involved in BLM?
Is your logic that if someone shoots a protestor that the protestor is 100% to blame?

And, of course, your chosen source is choosing "BLM = Democrat, therefore everyone MUST vote Trump to end all shootings in the US."

[vetran]

As a journalist in the LA times said "the words could be serving as a political rallying cry or referring to the activist organization. Or it could be the fuzzily applied label used to describe a wide range of protests and conversations focused on racial inequality.". The founders of the activist organisation's politics has no bearing on BLM as "a wide range of protests" etc.

This has happened. That doesn't mean it's a characteristic of BLM as a whole. Also whatever the anti-capitalism there may be across the pond, it is considerably less the focus than the UK. (And I wasn't intending to intimate that in this case, you were one of the triggered. Sorry that I triggered you. ).

OK so you are apologising for an organisation that is campaigning based on proven lies and has driven deaths up astronomically in the US?

Black Lives Matter led to record number of mass shootings - Opeds - Israel National News

In Portland, where there have been over 100 days of BLM riots, shootings shot up from 299 for all of 2019 to 488 for the year so far. In the first month of BLM protests, shootings nearly doubled from 31 in 2019 to 61. In August, the shootings nearly tripled relative to 2019.
In Austin, the murder rate rose 67 percent. At the end of August, the city recorded three murders in 24 hours. A homeless woman was shot when 60 hurricane evacuees began fighting in the street and shooting each other.
“We know we have at least 23 rounds discharged last night,” Chief David McKichan mentioned at one press conference.
In New York City, shootings rose 140 percent since the period roughly overlapping with BLM riots. And murders rose by over 50 percent. Behind those numbers are 90 murder victims. They’re part of the political price that Mayor Bill de Blasio and New York Democrats paid for their support for BLM.

Using weasel words to claim an organisation that is openly wishing to work towards anarchy is pretty offensive.

Judge people and organisations by their actions, there are plenty of things wrong that need fixing where the door is already open. Slavery still happens across the world including Africa's favourite customer for slaves Arabia, stop and search appearing to target BAME, poorer education & Job outcomes. To name a few.

The actual actions of BLM seem to be pulling down centuries old statues of merchants that took part in a millennia old trade which the UK decided needed to be stopped. Or vandalising statues of national heroes on tenuous grounds. Hardly moving the argument forward.

If being saddened by that is in your opinion is being "triggered" it says more about you than me.

In Portland, where there have been over 100 days of BLM riots, shootings shot up from 299 for all of 2019 to 488 for the year so far. In the first month of BLM protests, shootings nearly doubled from 31 in 2019 to 61. In August, the shootings nearly tripled relative to 2019.
In Austin, the murder rate rose 67 percent. At the end of August, the city recorded three murders in 24 hours. A homeless woman was shot when 60 hurricane evacuees began fighting in the street and shooting each other.
“We know we have at least 23 rounds discharged last night,” Chief David McKichan mentioned at one press conference.
In New York City, shootings rose 140 percent since the period roughly overlapping with BLM riots. And murders rose by over 50 percent. Behind those numbers are 90 murder victims. They’re part of the political price that Mayor Bill de Blasio and New York Democrats paid for their support for BLM.

[xoggoth]

Not helpful to turn everything into a race issue, it probably gives young ethnics less hope for their future. Think the major problem is inequality which has been driven by low skilled immigration. If your parents are manual workers you have less chance of high achieving than those born to affluent parents regardless of ethnicity. There's some predominantly white deprived places in the UK. Best approach is to ignore race and focus on improving lots of all lower skilled workers.

Think this bloke, like Trevor Phillips, seems very sensible:

Ethnic minority Covid risk '''not explained by racism''' - BBC News

[Zigenare]

FOG

Gricist!

[vetran]

There's been a lot of stuff at a school in Basingstoke that I'm sure people can get worked up about if they want to

The Vyne headteacher "taken out of context" over alleged use of racial slur | Basingstoke Gazette

I will have to buy them a teacup. Not sure if its the Gazette or the parents who can't spell.

Students take a stand after teachers use a racial slur | Basingstoke Gazette

[NotAllThere]

The 3 american founders are "trained marxists" (their words not mine). How is that not anti capitalist?

As a journalist in the LA times said "the words could be serving as a political rallying cry or referring to the activist organization. Or it could be the fuzzily applied label used to describe a wide range of protests and conversations focused on racial inequality.". The founders of the activist organisation's politics has no bearing on BLM as "a wide range of protests" etc.

I have no problem with equality and fairness but as she mentioned its being abused in the UK and seems also to be in the US. They lie about police abuse and canonise the guilty. Despite the facts victimhood is taught.

This has happened. That doesn't mean it's a characteristic of BLM as a whole. Also whatever the anti-capitalism there may be across the pond, it is considerably less the focus than the UK. (And I wasn't intending to intimate that in this case, you were one of the triggered. Sorry that I triggered you. ).

[mudskipper]

There's been a lot of stuff at a school in Basingstoke that I'm sure people can get worked up about if they want to

The Vyne headteacher "taken out of context" over alleged use of racial slur | Basingstoke Gazette

[vetran]

I suggest you don't like her.

She refused to say white working class boys have achievement problems in education.

hmm missed that if she did, then she is ignoring the published facts. Still like her main points, a bit of common sense in this row.

[SueEllen]

I suggest you don't like her.

She refused to say white working class boys have achievement problems in education.

[jayn200]

BLM in the UK is anti-capitalist movement. The US one is focused far more on inequality of treatment.

I said it at the start, but certain triggered members here tried to demonstrate that BLM in the US is just the same as in the UK. Which it isn't.

The 3 american founders are "trained marxists" (their words not mine). How is that not anti capitalist?

Lol, now dont get me wrong there is massive inequality in the US and I don't know if I believe in institutional racism but black people definitely have it pretty bad in the US. So of course people who are genuinely protesting against racism have joined the movement and hijacked it a bit but it really always has been an anti capitalist movement right from the start.

[northernladuk]

BLM in the UK is anti-capitalist movement. The US one is focused far more on inequality of treatment.

That's a very tenuous focus though. They seem just as busy with defunding the police and reperations for example.

I said it at the start, but certain triggered members here tried to demonstrate that BLM in the US is just the same as in the UK. Which it isn't.

Indeed. If it was there would be a problem. The problems over there in some areas are quite different to ours so a single solution won't work.

[Scoobos]

White BLM protester called black officer 'pet n****r', claims black MP | Daily Mail Online





sensible stuff.

I'm not all that clued up with BLM , but the fact that the "anti capitalist" line is in there rings alarm bells.

We've a message in the media about "anti capitalist" being a serious misdemeanour.

Now, I don't know about you, but when I was in education, we got balanced views and information and keen debates were the order of the day . (History was totalitarian regimes and the empire (Stalin, Hitler, Mao and "the commonwealth"), Ecomonics was ( Keynesian, Ricardo, Marx, Fisher etc).

In the past month its been:

1. Education must ban "extreme literature" that is anti-capitalist
2. The Covert Human Intelligence Sources Bill , which specifically advocates the same measures against criminal activity to be extended to "preventing ‘disorder’ and in the ‘interests of the economic well-being of the United Kingdom’"
3. BLM being labelled as an anti-capitalist movement.

I WANT to be wearing a tinfoil hat, but there's a subtext here to me , that people are expecting protest and revolt, and it's going to increase as issues like Climate Change start to really rise to the fore . The preventive measure is to start conditioning people to believe that, the form of global mature capitalism we have now, is against question.

Is it ok to rape and murder to preserve "the economic well being" of your country? Can't believe i'm typing that to be honest. Even more shocked that Kier Starmer , Mr "king of justice" asked his members to abstain!