Reply to: Churchill - antisemitic racist or war hero?

[Zigenare]

Well yeah, no discussion if it's our one. antisemitic racist

[LondonManc]

Yeah, do priests still get up to that all the time, or is it not reported as much since the 1990s?

Quite probably. They might even shag nuns if you dress them up as choirboys, who knows?

[vetran]

Yeah, do priests still get up to that all the time, or is it not reported as much since the 1990s?

apparently sadly they do:

Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

In 2014, the Permanent Representative of the Holy See to the UN, Silvano Maria Tomasi, appeared before the Committee against Torture and reported that during the previous ten years, 3420 cases of abuse against minors had been investigated and 884 priests had been removed from their positions and reduced to lay status.^[51] Allegations of and convictions for sexual abuse by clergy have occurred in many countries. There are no accurate figures available on the number of sexual abuse cases in different regions. But, in 2002 The Boston Globe reported, "clearly the issue has been most prominent in the United States."^[15] The US is the country with the highest number of reported Catholic sex abuse cases.^[52]

It does seem the church are at least working on it rather than blaming the victims as they did in the past..

[WTFH]

Cyril Smith shagging kids would never be regarded as acceptable (give or take certain religions).

Yeah, do priests still get up to that all the time, or is it not reported as much since the 1990s?

[LondonManc]

Casual racism was almost mandatory until 40 years.

Times have changed. How can we judge historic people by today's standards?
By 50s standards, most people going to work in an office are scruffy feckers.

If what he said was inappropriate for his day, that's one thing.

Cyril Smith shagging kids would never be regarded as acceptable (give or take certain religions).

[Old Greg]

And if by "nuanced" you mean "interpreted to support the biases of the beholder", then yeah, sure.

I don't mind if you're determined to be wrong. It's your problem

[billybiro]

Look up ethnicity. Consider that some Jewish people do not follow the Jewish religion. Accept that the subject is rather more nuanced than you think.

And if by "nuanced" you mean "interpreted to support the biases of the beholder", then yeah, sure.

[BlasterBates]

Stalin cuddly!?! snigger

Apparently he was "cuddly" he signed death warrants in a jovial manner.

[Old Greg]

Well yeah, no discussion if it's our one. antisemitic racist

Political correctness gone mad. Just because somebody won't work for Jews because he says they only care about themselves and not about gentiles, you go and call him antisemitic.

[MarillionFan]

I mean the dead one not ours.

It seems people are coming to the realisation that people are not black or white, good men can do bad things, and its very difficult to paint a person as one or the other

Well yeah, no discussion if it's our one. antisemitic racist

[WTFH]

Racist, sexist homophobes the lot of them.

That's part of the problem, the all or nothing, no compromise attitude.

And as for it only applying to pre-1940, you obviously don't read much of the this forum.

[d000hg]

Let's just get this over with and agree everyone (white) prior to about 1940 was terrible. Racist, sexist homophobes the lot of them. Further, any TV show or film from before about 10 years ago should be banned.

Of course today's progressive idol is next decades hateful bigot (e.g. J.K.Rowling) so we should probably automatically bin any TV/show or film once it gets to 10 years old.

[Zigenare]

“Of all the small nations of this earth, perhaps only the ancient Greeks surpass the Scots in their contribution to mankind.”

― Winston Churchill

You lot have gone downhill rapidly since those days.

[NotAllThere]

and far more intelligent / richer than spooter

Not exactly a high bar though, is it?

[AtW]

Given that it was only 2 decades after WWI, I don't think siding with Germany was ever going to be an option. I appreciate you must have had some very 'imaginitive' history teachers, so I'll leave it at that.

I’ve learnt it from “Yes, Minister“