Reply to: ITCA vs IPSE

[Zigenare]

I heard you were a Complete member and a Total member...

Not an ASS member?

[SueEllen]

They are all Cnuts. The only real opposition is the Karl Marx Society for ex-Tories.

Why did you just write the current labour party?

[Scruff]

So IPSE are the Provisionall PCG, SEA are the Continuity PCG and ITCA the Real PCG?

They are all AbFab. The only real opposition is the Karl Marx Society for ex-Tories.

Edit. Didn't want to offend King Canute

[ladymuck]

So IPSE are the Provisionall PCG, SEA are the Continuity PCG and ITCA the Real PCG?

[quackhandle]

So IPSE are the Provisionall PCG, SEA are the Continuity PCG and ITCA the Real PCG?

Post of the day, well bowled.

qh golf clap

[Mordac]

I'm a member of Contractors Unwanted National Tax.

I heard you were a Complete member and a Total member...

[Mordac]

They look like New “PCG” to continue losing the battles others have previously lost already...

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FTFY

ITCA - you have to admire their amazing sense of timing. Fancy forming a new organisation 3 weeks before it absolutely ceases to be relevant...

[SimonMac]

**** off!

[northernladuk]

I use Contractors IT Alliance.

I'm a member of Contractors Unwanted National Tax.

[BrilloPad]

I use Contractors IT Alliance.

[Lance]

What about the self employed Alliance http://sealliance.org.uk/ ?

[malvolio]

I would give SEA a better chance than all the others - they understand where the battle is - you can be employed, you can be self-employed but there really should be no middle ground. If you want employees you must give them appropriate rights, if you don't want to give them appropriate rights ensure they are self-employed.

Yes, but they're not the first to point that out. I recall several conversations about that over the last four years or so; in fact I was one of those making the same point in 2006.

But (a) HMG aren't interested and (b) it would need a major shake up of several complex systems including tax law to allow that separation while maintaining the protection of low paid and other vulnerable workers in various trades. The only argument that might work is that the new rules as being applied in the real world are destroying that last point, but HMG will not address that for a long time yet.

[eek]

The problem the new guys will face is the one that defeated PCG as was and why they are now IPSE. Talk to HMG about IR35 and while the MPs may listen, the people who make the decisions are bored of it all and have decided it's a done deal and settled some 15 years ago. After all the new thing is not about IR35, it's about who decides when it applies.

If the new guys come up with a different angle then that's all to the good and I wish them well, but somehow I doubt they'll do so successfully.

I would give SEA a better chance than all the others - they understand where the battle is - you can be employed, you can be self-employed but there really should be no middle ground. If you want employees you must give them appropriate rights, if you don't want to give them appropriate rights ensure they are self-employed.

[malvolio]

The problem the new guys will face is the one that defeated PCG as was and why they are now IPSE. Talk to HMG about IR35 and while the MPs may listen, the people who make the decisions are bored of it all and have decided it's a done deal and settled some 15 years ago. After all the new thing is not about IR35, it's about who decides when it applies.

If the new guys come up with a different angle then that's all to the good and I wish them well, but somehow I doubt they'll do so successfully.

[SimonMac]

Someone has just created an 'IT Contractor Alliance'

About Us – IT Contractors Alliance UK

Whats the difference between that and IPSE?

What about the self employed Alliance http://sealliance.org.uk/ ?

They look like New “PCG” to continue the battle others have lost

Splitters.

So IPSE are the Provisionall PCG, SEA are the Continuity PCG and ITCA the Real PCG?