Reply to: Johnson claims NHS will be 'overwhelming priority' for government

[Old Greg]

He’s been corrected on that lie several times before but still repeats it.

It’s not true, and if you knew it wasnot (which you should have) then it means you are a liar

Classic Tory lie to try to avoid responsibility for the mess the English NHS has got into since Cameron became PM.

[Old Greg]

Yes, 40%. Bulk on repayments and interest, plus quite a lot on the administration of them which adds nothing to patient care. And an awful lot on the maintenance services they impose.

But then, unlike you, I've first hand experience to draw on.

There's also a recent article on the BBC news website talking about the costs of the NHS. Oddly enough, they agree with me. Not that I'm interested anyway.

Why do you think I don't have first hand experience?

[AtW]

“ according to the latest cost estimates for Private Finance Initiatives (PFIs) to the NHS in England. These suggest ongoing PFI payments cost the equivalent of around 2% of the NHS budget, or one pound in every £55.”

What is the NHS paying for Private Finance Initiatives? - Full Fact

NHs annual budget is 130 bln roughly, total PFI cost estimated to hit 55 bln by 2040 or 2030 - NOT annual cost.

[malvolio]

40%! Classic Mal.

Yes, 40%. Bulk on repayments and interest, plus quite a lot on the administration of them which adds nothing to patient care. And an awful lot on the maintenance services they impose.

But then, unlike you, I've first hand experience to draw on.

There's also a recent article on the BBC news website talking about the costs of the NHS. Oddly enough, they agree with me. Not that I'm interested anyway.

[AtW]

Paying off the many outstanding PFIs would release about 40% of the NHS's current annual spend....

It’s not true, and if you knew it wasnot (which you should have) then it means you are a liar

[meridian]

40%! Classic Mal.

He’s been corrected on that lie several times before but still repeats it.

[Old Greg]

Paying off the many outstanding PFIs would release about 40% of the NHS's current annual spend...

Also, increased business and investment in the UK (which will now happen according to various pundits: well, we can always hope!) may well mean additional taxes aren't needed.

40%! Classic Mal.

[malvolio]

Paying off the many outstanding PFIs would release about 40% of the NHS's current annual spend...

Also, increased business and investment in the UK (which will now happen according to various pundits: well, we can always hope!) may well mean additional taxes aren't needed.

[Old Greg]

Sell to whom? It's a bureaucratic mess spoilt by access to sometimes too much money and diktat. The profit is in being a supplier or a services contractor not in owning the thing

Have you compared OECD countries' expenditure on health recently?

[BlasterBates]

NHS will be an overwhelming priority ... to sell

It won't be sold not directly, it will be milked. First off are the US drug companies who will be able to raise their prices and hence effectively "milk" the NHS, then there will be US health service companies who will be contracted out to build and run the NHS hospitals. They'll be expensive but will bulldoze the competition in true Trump style, and screw local contractors, cleverly not paying for work done by using armies of lawyers to wear them down.

The US sees the NHS as a huge cash cow, funded by an electorate with no influence on US representatives.

[tazdevil]

NHS will be an overwhelming priority ... to sell

Sell to whom? It's a bureaucratic mess spoilt by access to sometimes too much money and diktat. The profit is in being a supplier or a services contractor not in owning the thing

[WTFH]

NHS will be an overwhelming priority ... to sell

[meridian]

That's going to be cover for new taxes.

Why is it a surprise?

They promised 40 “new” hospitals and 50,000 “more” nurses, do you think this all comes for free?

[Old Greg]

More target than priority, but you get the point.

[BR14]

Virgin and other companies must be running there hands at this news


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