Reply to: Europe's highest court has ruled that time taken to travel to work should count as wo

[d000hg]

Bangers aren't expensive to own especially if you are a mature person.

They always have seemed expensive to run to us, and we're not earning £7/hour. On NMW, EVERYTHING is expensive - buying a new tyre or exhaust tube is a big deal.

[vetran]

interesting if as a contractor you have a registered office in London but work in Manchester can you claim expenses from your employer > 2 years or if IR35 caught?

[vetran]

Unless you're talking about NLYUK, I think you mean employers.....

indeed I was going to put it the other way round but it sounded like NLUK doing quality control!

[vetran]

So this isn't about paying people to travel to work as the thread title appears to shout and because we are leaving the EU we won't be able to get it

It's about getting some form of recompense for those people who have no fixed office and have to travel between appointments and only get paid for time on those appoint meets.

That makes sense of course.

But not quite what the title implies no?

its general!

[original PM]

So this isn't about paying people to travel to work as the thread title appears to shout and because we are leaving the EU we won't be able to get it

It's about getting some form of recompense for those people who have no fixed office and have to travel between appointments and only get paid for time on those appoint meets.

That makes sense of course.

But not quite what the title implies no?

[b0redom]

good news on the travel time. Many carers get shafted by their employees.

Unless you're talking about NLYUK, I think you mean employers.....

[scooterscot]

why do people assume only the EU can moderate big business and control employment law.
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In the UK ability has little to do with reality. Employers just evade the rules.

[VectraMan]

I thought you worked from your home office? It took you an hour to get to your clients which is a business trip no?

The article says "without a fixed office", so anyone claiming their home is their fixed office won't be covered.

Seems this is as much about minimum wage as anything else. A lot of carers especially are earning less than minimum wage when you take into account travelling time, and that's not right given that travelling around is an essential part of the job.

[Eirikur]

too bad for all these careworkers who travel in between patients and don't get paid for it. If only they had voted for remain

[DaveB]

Oh look it takes me 1 hour to get to work by car and two by bike - so regardless of what I do I'll say I travelled by bike - hey presto - more money.

Quite the most stupid and ungovernable and unenforceable piece of legislation to come out of the festering boils of the European Court since the last one.

I just can't even.

So because one person may attempt to defraud their employer ( and not necessarily get away with it) we should do away with any attempt to protect the other 999?

This isn't aimed at people working in conventional office jobs, it's aimed at mobile workers on or close to minimum wage, like Home Carers, Drivers etc. who don't have a fixed place of work and can be sent anywhere by their employers for their first and last jobs of the day and don't get paid for the time taken to get there or get home afterwards.

[vetran]

Oh look it takes me 1 hour to get to work by car and two by bike - so regardless of what I do I'll say I travelled by bike - hey presto - more money.

Quite the most stupid and ungovernable and unenforceable piece of legislation to come out of the festering boils of the European Court since the last one.

I just can't even.

I think when the supervisor comes to visit the carers on site they might notice the lack of a bike?

Remember they will be paying the extra money so having spent years screwing the carers over so they spend the most time travelling on their own dime to save the company 50p you think they are going to fall for that one?

Just because someone can potentially with effort defraud it doesn't mean its a bad idea.

[northernladuk]

Oh look it takes me 1 hour to get to work by car and two by bike - so regardless of what I do I'll say I travelled by bike - hey presto - more money.

I thought you worked from your home office? It took you an hour to get to your clients which is a business trip no?

[original PM]

Oh look it takes me 1 hour to get to work by car and two by bike - so regardless of what I do I'll say I travelled by bike - hey presto - more money.

Quite the most stupid and ungovernable and unenforceable piece of legislation to come out of the festering boils of the European Court since the last one.

I just can't even.

[vetran]

Don't be so sarky,

Ah Judge a civilisation by how it treats its prisoners, I assume that's what you are talking about otherwise it seems a little off topic.
how do you think French, German & Spanish prisons look at the same time. The prisoners there are not been beaten or starved.

[darmstadt]

+1. Now the establishment has been overthrown by a popular uprising, you can expect more and better employment rights, courtesy of Boris Johnson, Liam Fox, David Davies et al.

Don't be so sarky,