Reply to: It's all our fault

[NotAllThere]

I think there is a particular problem for Muslim women who can face prejudice because of the veil thing.

On Swiss TV before they (canton Ticino) voted on whether to ban the burka in public, a Swiss convert was talking about how it made her feel virtuous, was integral to her expression of Islam and it would be sexist and discriminatory to dictate what women can or cannot wear. A woman who is Muslim by birth, who grew up in Saudia Arabia, said that that was utter tulip - the majority of Muslim women hate the burka and the veil, and see it as a symbol of male oppression.

The vote was passed, the ban is in place.

[NotAllThere]

bike-shed effect

What has sex education got to do with it?

[Xiathorn]

Seems a great deal of fuss is made about a very small part of our total population.

bike-shed effect

[MrMarkyMark]

It wouldn't surprise me if well educated Muslim women were finding it more difficult to find jobs in the current climate - but the problem for the poorly educated women is far worse and caused, in my view, by a patriarchal, misogynistic application of Islam.

This +1

Seems a great deal of fuss is made about a very small part of our total population.

[xoggoth]

I think there is a particular problem for Muslim women who can face prejudice because of the veil thing.

We need to concentrate on the real issue, halt the spread of Islamism in our society, not waste our time on tackling minor symptoms. Whether they think so or not, women are the victims of this crap, it's mostly the men who are the problem.

[DimPrawn]

Absolutely this ! Recent case in point is a MP from Bradford looking into a possible honour killing of one of her constituents back in Pakistan. It seems the MP has been threatened. Many of the family members, while portraying disgust of what happened and endless crocodile tears, probably wanted this done all along since according to them she brought shame to their family.

Having said that the MP herself doesn't have a great track record, being suspended from Labour camp and then allowed back in after apologising.

Labour MP's are all vermin.

[jbond007]

Won't make a jot of difference. It's a cultural thing as NAT has said, especially within the Pakistani communities. They'll close ranks, pay lip service and carry on as they were.

Absolutely this ! Recent case in point is a MP from Bradford looking into a possible honour killing of one of her constituents back in Pakistan. It seems the MP has been threatened. Many of the family members, while portraying disgust of what happened and endless crocodile tears, probably wanted this done all along since according to them she brought shame to their family.

Having said that the MP herself doesn't have a great track record, being suspended from Labour camp and then allowed back in after apologising.

[LondonManc]

Ultimately the responsibility for this mince comes from the equality squad in the government, my issue with the article was that it did not challenge the findings. We desperately need to drop using parity of esteem when dealing with minorities with these issues.

Won't make a jot of difference. It's a cultural thing as NAT has said, especially within the Pakistani communities. They'll close ranks, pay lip service and carry on as they were.

[minestrone]

Ultimately the responsibility for this mince comes from the equality squad in the government, my issue with the article was that it did not challenge the findings. We desperately need to drop using parity of esteem when dealing with minorities with these issues.

[vetran]

but ended up getting an arranged marriage to their first cousin goat herder from back home before the chance of a career. Quite sad.

The focus of the article is miles off.

FTFY

[minestrone]

It wouldn't surprise me if well educated Muslim women were finding it more difficult to find jobs in the current climate - but the problem for the poorly educated women is far worse and caused, in my view, by a patriarchal, misogynistic application of Islam.

Quite, my mother taught English as a second language in schools which was almost entirely to Pakistani kids. She thought the girls were all very clever and studious with hopes to go on to study pharmacy or medicine but ended up getting arranged to some goat herder from back home before the chance of a career. Quite sad.

The focus of the article is miles off.

[vetran]

As NAT suggested many of the issues are within the culture.

[BrilloPad]

Can they not get jobs as prostitutes and increase their earning power?

[northernladuk]

Shouldn't they be educating the husbands?

[NotAllThere]

White middle aged males did it. The leftist islamic British Broadcasting Corruption told me so.

Funny. In another place some lefties were complaining how the BBC has a right-wing agenda.

Anyway. From Private Eye

In February the Muslim Women’s Network UK (MWN) wrote to Jeremy Corbyn detailing concerns about Muslim male councillors blocking “able, knowledgeable and independent-minded” women from standing for public office and alleging the party was colluding with “systematic misogyny” to harvest votes. The national media then aired claims about candidate selection stitch-ups and Muslim women threatened with being “shamed” if they persisted in challenging traditional male-dominated community politics.
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"If they (the Labour party) really wanted to they would have to scrutinise long-term Muslim male councillors, people who have been members or councillors for decades, and they don’t want to go there. They’re needed to get the Muslim vote out and the Labour Party will turn a blind eye.”

More here from the lefty Gruaniad. Muslim women 'blocked from seeking office by male Labour councillors' | Politics | The Guardian
And here from the lefty BBC. Muslim women 'stopped from becoming Labour councillors' - BBC News

It wouldn't surprise me if well educated Muslim women were finding it more difficult to find jobs in the current climate - but the problem for the poorly educated women is far worse and caused, in my view, by a patriarchal, misogynistic application of Islam.