Reply to: Looking for Eastern European IOS Developer

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

You'd be paying TCP more than the sod all he'd be earning at the moment.

I'm not that desperate yet.

Forgot about this thread but I've finally picked up a bit of work, 2 weeks either side of my forthcoming paternity leave. Hopefully more to follow.

[vetran]

When I was perm I only had one employment contract which stated my employer could own my IP. I got that clause removed by pointing to well-known open source projects.

Unless you work for a company that does lots of research and/or files lots of patents lots of employers will either not have it in the contract or will oblige particularly since open sourcing code, pictures and writing had become common.

the default position as per the reference I gave is that the Employer owns the IP. This does not seem to need a clause in the contract.

If you wish for your employer to relinquish that right then you need to negotiate. Which I see you did. The OP could do the same but has chosen not to. In my opinion he should in case the product makes real money and the Employers lawyers sniff a quick buck.

[SueEllen]

And his employer owning his IP doesn't cause a problem?

When I was perm I only had one employment contract which stated my employer could own my IP. I got that clause removed by pointing to well-known open source projects.

Unless you work for a company that does lots of research and/or files lots of patents lots of employers will either not have it in the contract or will oblige particularly since open sourcing code, pictures and writing had become common.

[mudskipper]

You also need to be crystal clear on how taxes will be paid.

[Sangerous]

Just an update for you guys....

I went British in the end. Managed to find a Junior developer already in full-time work. Somebody I actually already know!

We agreed a reasonable rate considering his level of experience but it's all we need. It actually is a lot better value than going Eastern European and will save a lot of headache...

I will be doing all the plumbing (database, procedures, WCF services, web apps) with the developer just having to deal with the JSON WCF service for IOS/Android development - making all of our lives easier.

I actually managed to find a second guy but I need another project to work on. I'm thinking of adopting this model for several plan Bs I have in the pipeline.

Think I know this guy Is his name Josh?

[vetran]

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/ownershi...opyright-works

Where a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work, or a film, is made by an employee in the course of his employment, his employer is the first owner of any copyright in the work (subject to any agreement to the contrary). The expression “in the course of employment” is not defined by the Act but in settling disputes the courts have typically had to decide whether the employee was working under a ‘contract of service’ (eg as an employee) or a ‘contract for services’ (eg as a freelancer or independent contractor).

if you have a written agreement it won't then fine. If not its the employers, now they may not choose to pursue it but they may and any investor will need proof you own your own IP.

[d000hg]

And his employer owning his IP doesn't cause a problem?

It's unlikely to be the case. Certainly not if challenged in the court.

As the OP said you can normally get permission formally from your employer, many have a clause in the contract that you can disclose your personal work to make sure it is known to be your IP.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

And his employer owning his IP doesn't cause a problem?

It's a small POC project which won't take more than 20 hours dev time and we are working on it in the weekend. He already checked and this won't be an issue since the fields are totally unrelated (in fact one public sector and one private sector)

[vetran]

Just an update for you guys....

I went British in the end. Managed to find a Junior developer already in full-time work. Somebody I actually already know!

And his employer owning his IP doesn't cause a problem?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Just an update for you guys....

I went British in the end. Managed to find a Junior developer already in full-time work. Somebody I actually already know!

We agreed a reasonable rate considering his level of experience but it's all we need. It actually is a lot better value than going Eastern European and will save a lot of headache...

I will be doing all the plumbing (database, procedures, WCF services, web apps) with the developer just having to deal with the JSON WCF service for IOS/Android development - making all of our lives easier.

I actually managed to find a second guy but I need another project to work on. I'm thinking of adopting this model for several plan Bs I have in the pipeline.

[clearedforlanding]

Tried that but doesn't work..... Until POC we can't even get to the stage of partnering.

And the longer you delay partnering, the less equity you will need to hand over.

[d000hg]

that's the kind of thing I am looking for...... I've had bad experience with further afield than eastern Europe but some very good experiences with Lithuanian/Polish/Croatian outsourcing.

Do you know any IOS devs?

I can tell you straight off that I (or my friend) can't afford you! No need for me to give you any quotes. If the prototype succeeded then there is no doubt he would need a full-time IOS dev. It's very difficult to get funding without establishing a POC and the guy has a very very limited budget - which is why I am using my day off to help him for free. I can see it might go somewhere so thought I'd help him out and oversee the delivery of the POC as well as get my hands dirty where I can.

You can't say nobody in the UK would do it for what you want to pay. You do find cheap natives in the freelance market, often those doing it on the side of their studies or whatever, who are actually skilled. For a POC especially, you presumably just need someone to hack it together anyway.

I can't recall if any of the people I worked with do iOS dev or not, if anyone springs to mind I'll let you know.

[vetran]

Tried that but doesn't work..... Until POC we can't even get to the stage of partnering.

TCP showed interest give him a call.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Ok so not an answer to your original question but what about bringing in a developer as a partner. If the idea has legs you may get the work for free until it takes off.

Tried that but doesn't work..... Until POC we can't even get to the stage of partnering.

[woohoo]

I can tell you straight off that I (or my friend) can't afford you! No need for me to give you any quotes. If the prototype succeeded then there is no doubt he would need a full-time IOS dev. It's very difficult to get funding without establishing a POC and the guy has a very very limited budget - which is why I am using my day off to help him for free. I can see it might go somewhere so thought I'd help him out and oversee the delivery of the POC as well as get my hands dirty where I can.

Ok so not an answer to your original question but what about bringing in a developer as a partner. If the idea has legs you may get the work for free until it takes off.