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Previously on "Security Clearance (SC) Q&A Read first before asking questions"

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  • lam4664
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    Can someone please offer some advice maybe know or have heard somebody in a similar position (not just say be honest please I understand that)

    I am applying for SC clearance i have 2 convictions which lead to me do some porridge time. This was all when i was under 18 that was more than 8 years ago and now all convictions have become spent.

    I've never been in trouble since in any way shape or form i have completely changed my life around but now in the position where i need to undergo SC clearance to get the role I've worked for since my teens.

    Will i be granted this ?

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  • malvolio
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    Originally posted by SussexSeagull View Post
    You can state "Cleared to a high Government standard' on your CV but no more. Source.
    I believe I've said that before in the past, from the same reference

    Interestingly that is based on employers not insisting on prior clearance, which in my experience is very much not the case.
    Well yes. HMG know the rules, as do their departments and all related hiring authorities, and they have been told and reminded fairly often. As you say, it's ignorant/lazy consulting partner managers and agencies looking to cut their list of applicants that ignore them, and permit the creation of websites such as "Security Cleared Jobs".co.uk and lead to "I got SC" on LinkedIn profiles and the like.

    Yet another case of HMG ignoring the real world...



    (To be fair the group I was working with - a couple of jobbing contractors, PCG as was, the Cabinet Office and REC inter alia - ten years or so ago were fully aware of the rules and were instrumental in getting them both clarifies and restated. WE then ran into the brick wall of enforcement of something that in law (for obvious reasons) has no basis.

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  • SussexSeagull
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    You can state "Cleared to a high Government standard' on your CV but no more. Source.

    Interestingly that is based on employers not insisting on prior clearance, which in my experience is very much not the case.
    Last edited by SussexSeagull; 18 April 2021, 16:23.

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  • malvolio
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    To be entirely fair, it depends to whom you are disclosing the information. Someone who genuinely has a need to know, such as a potential client, there's no issue. However, extending that to an uncleared (usually) agency drone who doesn't have a need to know - on the official basis that you don't need clearance to apply for a role - is probably a breach.

    Ditto all those nerks on LinkedIn who have "SC Cleared PM" on their profile. Tell them they haven't, since they are out of a job, and it has therefore lapsed immediately and you get shouted at...

    Which doesn't answer the question, I accept, other than to say the question has no meaning. But in the real world, follow your conscience.

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  • Paralytic
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    Originally posted by hobnob View Post
    If someone tells an agent "Yes, I have clearance" then that's a breach. However, if someone tells an agent "No, I don't have that clearance", is that allowed?
    I can't tell you that.

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  • hobnob
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    Originally posted by malvolio View Post
    any disclosure of clearance is a breach of the OSA
    I've been wondering how far this goes. If someone tells an agent "Yes, I have clearance" then that's a breach. However, if someone tells an agent "No, I don't have that clearance", is that allowed?

    On the face of it, that's not revealing anything confidential, and someone without clearance probably hasn't signed the OSA. However, I can imagine a conversation like this:
    Agent: "Do you have DV clearance?"
    Contractor: "No, I don't"
    Agent: "How about SC clearance?"
    Contractor: "I can't answer that question"

    By implication, they're saying that they do have SC clearance, which would then be a breach. So, is it better for people who don't have the clearance to also say "I can't tell you that"?

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  • xar18
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    Originally posted by malvolio View Post

    If you got done for an settlement, it was as a result of an investigation. QED....

    However it is unlikely to have any impact on your clearance, unless your potential client is deep into financial probity. So tell them is was an investigation that was settled by mutual agreement.
    Thats great - thanks for the info. Will update my SC form accordingly.

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  • malvolio
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    Originally posted by xar18 View Post
    Hi all - I am currently completing the SC form for a new role, and wanted to ask about the HMRC investigation section. I was part of a scheme for circa 9 months (circa 2012), received the HMRC discovery/enquiry letters a few years back asking for settlement as per others, and fully settled within about 12 months with no further activity since then.

    My query is whether this constitutes a formal 'HMRC investigation' that should be detailed on the SC form, or falls under general HMRC activity about taxes owed that doesn't need explicitly referenced.

    Any pointers welcomed. Thanks
    If you got done for an settlement, it was as a result of an investigation. QED....

    However it is unlikely to have any impact on your clearance, unless your potential client is deep into financial probity. So tell them is was an investigation that was settled by mutual agreement.

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  • xar18
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    Hi all - I am currently completing the SC form for a new role, and wanted to ask about the HMRC investigation section. I was part of a scheme for circa 9 months (circa 2012), received the HMRC discovery/enquiry letters a few years back asking for settlement as per others, and fully settled within about 12 months with no further activity since then.

    My query is whether this constitutes a formal 'HMRC investigation' that should be detailed on the SC form, or falls under general HMRC activity about taxes owed that doesn't need explicitly referenced.

    Any pointers welcomed. Thanks

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  • malvolio
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    Originally posted by mallisarealperson View Post
    I am surprised how many individuals put there SC on their Linkedin profile? I was always under the impression that was in breach of the official secrets act.

    From what I have read in the past you cannot even put it on your CV. Instead you are ok to put government clearance but not state which one, at best.

    Unless they are all liars.
    It is - any disclosure of clearance is a breach of the OSA, to the extent that, for example, MOD people are supposed to remove or conceal their name badges outside their workplace.

    Many of the LinkedIn people will be with consultancies or other X-listed companies who are rather more cavalier about such things...

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  • mallisarealperson
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    I am surprised how many individuals put there SC on their Linkedin profile? I was always under the impression that was in breach of the official secrets act.

    From what I have read in the past you cannot even put it on your CV. Instead you are ok to put government clearance but not state which one, at best.

    Unless they are all liars.
    Last edited by mallisarealperson; 10 March 2021, 12:35.

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  • northernladuk
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    Originally posted by pickod View Post
    For those that care , I applied for SC on 21/01/21 for a government based project , my clearance arrived after 1 month for 10 years (surprisingly)

    Others who applied at the same time or even before me are still waiting.

    What we have heard is that the time it takes varies from 1 person to the next so that 'the perfect' answers cant be predicted.
    Good feedback thanks and grats on the clearance. I do think you've been very lucky with the one month so I'm pretty surprised as well but in 10 years (since I had mine) you'd hope they've done something to speed it up

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  • pickod
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    For those that care , I applied for SC on 21/01/21 for a government based project , my clearance arrived after 1 month for 10 years (surprisingly)

    Others who applied at the same time or even before me are still waiting.

    What we have heard is that the time it takes varies from 1 person to the next so that 'the perfect' answers cant be predicted.

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  • oracle
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    Originally posted by malvolio View Post

    No idea. Depends entirely on your end client. NATO-member countries with a decent internal security system are probably OK, but nothing is guaranteed, So best ask your current/prospective SSO.

    There are bigger issues however. If the potential client knows you're going abroad for an extended period, will they still offer you the job? Will they keep you on if you do move? It's not like there aren't lots of other candidates out there...
    Hi! That's actually the reason why I need to figure this out soon. My current employer is ok with it, the new one I'm not sure. But the new employer know about my plans to move somewhere rural like Devon (delayed by Covid), so I'm just 'extending' the concept. So the SC "holiday" or residence limitation maybe the deal-breaker.

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  • malvolio
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    Originally posted by oracle View Post
    Hi! This seems to be the most informed source of knowledge regarding SC, so I'll post a question I couldn't find the answer to ...
    Once you have SC clearance, how long can you be outside of UK and still be able to maintain it? Can you have dual residency (UK-another EU country) and still be SC? Ex: 6 months in Portugal( or Ireland), then 6 months UK? Or simply: what's the longest overseas holidays you can have with SC?

    I've been living in the UK for 11 years, and haven't been out more than 3 weeks so residency won't be a problem during application. I have full time UK remote work (work-from-home) but planning to reside in Ireland or Portugal for a substantial part of a year (max 6months) once covid settles. But a new role being offered requires SC, which the firm will process. So I need to know if I'll loose my "remote work from overseas" capability.
    No idea. Depends entirely on your end client. NATO-member countries with a decent internal security system are probably OK, but nothing is guaranteed, So best ask your current/prospective SSO.

    There are bigger issues however. If the potential client knows you're going abroad for an extended period, will they still offer you the job? Will they keep you on if you do move? It's not like there aren't lots of other candidates out there...

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