Reply to: Yes, it's 100% remote but you have to stay in the UK - why?

[WTFH]

Well, if anyone knows how to be paid well, regularly and without doing any work, I am all ears
But jokes aside, I understand the client needs some work done but I am not sure why the client wants me to stay in wet weather paying through my nose for not so tasty food and shoebox accommodation.

Then the client wants someone better than you.

You’ve avoided answering the questions, you ignore the answer.
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[Relaxed]

[Yes, it's 100% remote but you actually have to do some work - why?]

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Well, if anyone knows how to be paid well, regularly and without doing any work, I am all ears
But jokes aside, I understand the client needs some work done but I am not sure why the client wants me to stay in wet weather paying through my nose for not so tasty food and shoebox accommodation.

[Relaxed]

Bluntly, because you're not important enough to them.

Well, if you are important to your client that means you undersell your services.

[CheeseSlice]

Perhaps they've geofenced their SaaS and VPN systems, office 365 etc?

[northernladuk]

Remember also a contract has to be negotiated. To accept it like it's a given is permie thinking. If you want to work somewhere specific you negotiate it and get it put in. To just get given one and then moan about it is your failure, not the client or the agent. It's a two way document agreeing the work to be done. You have input in to it as well.

[WTFH]

And what if it doesnt state such a thing in the contract...? But they may say it whilst youre in the contract?

That depends on why they say it or how they say it.

There can be thousands of "what ifs" but without knowing the specifics of who the client is and why they are saying it, then it's just a futile discussion.

A contract will not specify every single rule and regulation that applies to a particular business, but that doesn't mean that a supplier is exempt from those rules and regulations.

My current contract mentions $15million insurance. It doesn't mention GDPR, or the other 15+ courses I had to do to allow me access to the systems and permission to talk to other suppliers/customers/etc. It also didn't mention specific NDAs that MyCo has had to sign, etc.
I could argue that I don't need to do certain things because my role does not involve a particular area, but it is easier and safer for the client to have a blanket rule for all IT suppliers, than it is to tailor rules to each individual.

[northernladuk]

And what if it doesnt state such a thing in the contract...? But they may say it whilst youre in the contract?

Your contract (in the old days) should stipulate your working place. It used to have the office on it. Now they've been a bit slap dash and put remote without considering over seas options. They are assuming it is remote from your home office in the UK. It's generally the agency that draft the contract so that's why they haven't clarrified because they don't know the clients policies.

They'll only change that once they start getting lots of people asking for this and then will change the contract to suit. So at the moment it's an ommission but you are driven by the clients policies which aren't in the contract.

Assume it's UK based and you'll have to ask specifically about overseas. Best thing to do is speak to the agency to get guidance before you start. Just because it's not in the contract doesn't mean you've got open season to work where you want. Common sense should kick in here as you should know clients will want a say in overseas work.

[dranzer01]

The real reason is that they are paying for the work to be done and are free to dictate how and where it is done.

If you don't like it don't take the contract.

And what if it doesnt state such a thing in the contract...? But they may say it whilst youre in the contract?

[TheDude]

I am believe this is the real, real reason why companies do it - then secondly about the 'data security'

The real reason is that they are paying for the work to be done and are free to dictate how and where it is done.

If you don't like it don't take the contract.

[WTFH]

I am believe this is the real, real reason why companies do it - then secondly about the 'data security'

If you've ever worked in any industry that works with personal/sensitive personal data, then you'd know that data security is critical, it's not just about unprofessional "contractors" who think they are above the regulations.

[dranzer01]

Ignoring legal and compliance reasons I suspect it is to stop people taking the piss and billing whilst on holiday.

I am believe this is the real, real reason why companies do it - then secondly about the 'data security'

[PCTNN]

Get an Asus router for home - setup a VPN with a static IP address.

Then which is better:

1) Get another Asus router for travel - set it up so it does all the traffic over the Asus router at your home

or

2) Use a VPN client on the PC that disconnects from network if VPN disconnects

haha he's back with his bulltulip

[NotAllThere]

Even then, the appropriate remote working visas etc need to be sorted out.

Boring, I know.

And then there's taxation questions and social payments, if inside IR35.

[Protagoras]

In my view, it's unethical to use technical solutions to cover-up operating from another country when connecting to client systems. And in any case, there's still a good risk of getting discovered.

If the client is agreeable to overseas remote access working, that's fine, and with their agreement one can take their laptop abroad or they may provide VDI or whatever. It's the sneaking around that I don't think is reasonable.

There may be perfectly legitimate reasons why one might need to provide services from abroad; this should be discussed with the client and the necessary agreements reached.

Even then, the appropriate remote working visas etc need to be sorted out.

Boring, I know.

[bballer3221]

If inside ir35, insurance is irrelevant.

If not, one will have insurance and I don't know if it has geographic limitation. But it doesn't matter as the insurer will not know where you were when an insurance event happen.

if one feels adventurous, client doesn't need to know. If executed right they will never know.
I actually helped a few people doing it. 12 months and 2 extensions, all is good.

Get an Asus router for home - setup a VPN with a static IP address.

Then which is better:

1) Get another Asus router for travel - set it up so it does all the traffic over the Asus router at your home

or

2) Use a VPN client on the PC that disconnects from network if VPN disconnects