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Originally posted by Paralytic View PostWhilst what people are saying is strictly true, i'd be speaking to the client to gauge whether they be willing to approve the timesheet for the week.
I've been at clients where other contractors logins have been disabled (due to late approval of contract extension) and they've been locked out of everything for a week, and yet they've submitted their timesheet, had it approved, and been paid. I've been at others where projects have been canned, and contractors have been able to "work" their full 4 week notice, with no work to do.
Its often the case that those who approve the timesheet have no idea that they legally don't have to do it if there's no work available.
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Originally posted by Paralytic View PostWhilst what people are saying is strictly true, i'd be speaking to the client to gauge whether they be willing to approve the timesheet for the week.
I've been at clients where other contractors logins have been disabled (due to late approval of contract extension) and they've been locked out of everything for a week, and yet they've submitted their timesheet, had it approved, and been paid. I've been at others where projects have been canned, and contractors have been able to "work" their full 4 week notice, with no work to do.
Its often the case that those who approve the timesheet have no idea that they legally don't have to do it if there's no work available.
Once you know who is in charge ask how you should handle this week given that the issue was the late arrival of their laptop and see what they say. They may well be happy to sign your timesheet - my previously point was don't go and fill in a timesheet expecting them to sign it without politely forewarning them and checking their reaction.
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Whilst what people are saying is strictly true, i'd be speaking to the client to gauge whether they be willing to approve the timesheet for the week.
I've been at clients where other contractors logins have been disabled (due to late approval of contract extension) and they've been locked out of everything for a week, and yet they've submitted their timesheet, had it approved, and been paid. I've been at others where projects have been canned, and contractors have been able to "work" their full 4 week notice, with no work to do.
Its often the case that those who approve the timesheet have no idea that they legally don't have to do it if there's no work available.
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Originally posted by Analyst91 View Post
As I said in my original post I've only been at this for 2 years so by no means do I consider myself an expert. Admittedly still learning the ropes...
To expand on my previous question, it was more about the fact that I have made myself available to the end client from the agreed contract start date. As my time was committed, and the delay is within the responsibility of the client, would it be reasonable for me to charge... Appreciate that the collective sentiment seems to be no, glad to have had others input.
Yep, it's one of the risks of contracting. We engage in Time and Material contracts. As said the flow is do work, get signed timesheet, get paid. It's in all our contracts. Time to be available doesn't really fit in with a T&M contract I am afraid.
It's the same at the end of the contract and when it comes to notice for example. If you give notice and the client walks you off site you are not entitled to notice period money as you didn't work it. You are still in contract, just not being given work so available but not working. No money again.
Same could be said for bank hols, xmas etc. You are available, client just doesn't want you in so you don't get paid.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
As you should know contracts work on a day worked, timesheet signed, you get paid. It's the basic principles of what we do. It will be no different in this case. It's the same contract, just with a different party. It would be interesting to know if your contract with the brolly says something about this as well though. Have a read up and see what it says.
I have to say, you've made some pretty basic errors through all this by not understanding contracts properly. Your first post regarding the LTD, not understanding the chain of contracts and not understanding some of the basic elements of a contract. You really need to get up to speed. If you had a reasonable grasp of contracts you wouldn't have had to ask any of these things. This is very basic stuff and it's what you do as a job so you really should know. It's in your title as a CONTRACTor. Time to pull your socks up a bit I'd say.
To expand on my previous question, it was more about the fact that I have made myself available to the end client from the agreed contract start date. As my time was committed, and the delay is within the responsibility of the client, would it be reasonable for me to charge... Appreciate that the collective sentiment seems to be no, glad to have had others input.
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Originally posted by Analyst91 View PostThanks for the advice!
Quick update: my laptop was only just delivered this morning after a string of delays on the client side. I therefore missed my scheduled induction meaning I will now not start work until next Monday 26th July.
However having finally received my contract from the umbrella company (between themselves and the recruitment agency), the start date is stated as the 19th July. Am I therefore correct in assuming that I will be paid for the week delay to my start date? When filling out my timesheet next week shall I input hours for this week despite not having started with the end client?
I have to say, you've made some pretty basic errors through all this by not understanding contracts properly. Your first post regarding the LTD, not understanding the chain of contracts and not understanding some of the basic elements of a contract. You really need to get up to speed. If you had a reasonable grasp of contracts you wouldn't have had to ask any of these things. This is very basic stuff and it's what you do as a job so you really should know. It's in your title as a CONTRACTor. Time to pull your socks up a bit I'd say.
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Originally posted by Analyst91 View PostThanks for the advice!
Quick update: my laptop was only just delivered this morning after a string of delays on the client side. I therefore missed my scheduled induction meaning I will now not start work until next Monday 26th July.
However having finally received my contract from the umbrella company (between themselves and the recruitment agency), the start date is stated as the 19th July. Am I therefore correct in assuming that I will be paid for the week delay to my start date? When filling out my timesheet next week shall I input hours for this week despite not having started with the end client?
And filling a timesheet in without warning for a week you didn't do any work in is going to mark you out as trouble that is probably not worth keeping.
I wouldn't do it unless you get someone to sign it off first.
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Originally posted by Analyst91 View PostThanks for the advice!
Quick update: my laptop was only just delivered this morning after a string of delays on the client side. I therefore missed my scheduled induction meaning I will now not start work until next Monday 26th July.
However having finally received my contract from the umbrella company (between themselves and the recruitment agency), the start date is stated as the 19th July. Am I therefore correct in assuming that I will be paid for the week delay to my start date? When filling out my timesheet next week shall I input hours for this week despite not having started with the end client?
Fill it in, by all means, but do expect it to be rejected.
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Thanks for the advice!
Quick update: my laptop was only just delivered this morning after a string of delays on the client side. I therefore missed my scheduled induction meaning I will now not start work until next Monday 26th July.
However having finally received my contract from the umbrella company (between themselves and the recruitment agency), the start date is stated as the 19th July. Am I therefore correct in assuming that I will be paid for the week delay to my start date? When filling out my timesheet next week shall I input hours for this week despite not having started with the end client?
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Originally posted by Analyst91 View PostHi all,
I've been contracting for a couple of years now and my contract has always been between myself and the Recruitment Agency (i.e the document stating length of contract/day rate etc...)
However I am due to start a new role for a public sector client and the agency is saying my contract will be sent through by my umbrella company rather than themselves. Has anyone ever had this situation arise?
I understand that legally I am an employee of the umbrella company however they have not been the ones to issue me with a contract in the past. I am feeling slightly wary as my start date is tomorrow and I am yet to receive or sign any contract.
Any advice welcome!
You need to be ringing the brolly and making sure everything is in order before you start. They are your employer now so they are the first person to ask about this.
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Yes this is normal. The agency contracts with the umbrella and the umbrella contracts with you.
Technically, it wasn't you contracting with the agency, it was your LtdCo, and you personally were contracted to your LtdCo. You may not have had a written contract but that was the chain as you are a separate legal entity from your LtdCo.
The chain isn't any different, it's just the intermediary between the agency and you that's changed (along with all that extra tax and lack of expenses...)
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Contract document through Umbrella rather than Recruitment Agency?
Hi all,
I've been contracting for a couple of years now and my contract has always been between myself and the Recruitment Agency (i.e the document stating length of contract/day rate etc...) However I am due to start a new role for a public sector client and the agency is saying my contract will be sent through by my umbrella company rather than themselves. Has anyone ever had this situation arise?
I understand that legally I am an employee of the umbrella company however they have not been the ones to issue me with a contract in the past. I am feeling slightly wary as my start date is tomorrow and I am yet to receive or sign any contract.
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