It's irrelevant whether the agent is pushing for a rate cut or the client. You take your chances in the negotiation. The agent may have more good CVs who are in it for less. If he does rejecting the cut will lose you the contract.
At the end of the day you can be "ripped off" equally by the agent or the client.
The decision should be based on what you can earn else where. Clearly if you're inundated with calls you turn it down or stick your rate up.
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Originally posted by jayn200 View PostYour first contract? You probably tripled your take home and you almost lost it over 100 a month gross?
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Originally posted by eek View PostIt's a goer if the end client knows what you are doing so ignores the "I'm sorry but he's resigned" phone call that the agent will try and make.
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Originally posted by rootsnall View Post
If I think the agent is pulling a fast one but I don't want to rock the boat and risk losing the contract then I've taken the contract unchallenged. Get your feet under the desk and find out what the client is paying and then if there is scope for it play hardball with the agent in mid contract. I've had it work and I've also failed but nothing ventured...…. Probably not a goer in the current climate.
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Originally posted by cannon999 View PostFor my first contract the agent tried his utmost best to convince me that 495 is the best the client can do (I wanted 500). I have already been through the interviews and I knew that my skillset was a perfect match. I smelt bulltulip so I called him on it and said that I cannot accept a lower rate than what I have asked for. He huffed and puffed about his manager not allowing him to stretch any further than 495 but after I thanked him for the opportunity and said my goodbyes quickly changed his tune and found the missing £5.
If I think the agent is pulling a fast one but I don't want to rock the boat and risk losing the contract then I've taken the contract unchallenged. Get your feet under the desk and find out what the client is paying and then if there is scope for it play hardball with the agent in mid contract. I've had it work and I've also failed but nothing ventured...…. Probably not a goer in the current climate.
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Originally posted by cannon999 View PostFor my first contract the agent tried his utmost best to convince me that 495 is the best the client can do (I wanted 500). I have already been through the interviews and I knew that my skillset was a perfect match. I smelt bulltulip so I called him on it and said that I cannot accept a lower rate than what I have asked for. He huffed and puffed about his manager not allowing him to stretch any further than 495 but after I thanked him for the opportunity and said my goodbyes quickly changed his tune and found the missing £5.
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Originally posted by cannon999 View PostFor my first contract the agent tried his utmost best to convince me that 495 is the best the client can do (I wanted 500). I have already been through the interviews and I knew that my skillset was a perfect match. I smelt bulltulip so I called him on it and said that I cannot accept a lower rate than what I have asked for. He huffed and puffed about his manager not allowing him to stretch any further than 495 but after I thanked him for the opportunity and said my goodbyes quickly changed his tune and found the missing £5.
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For my first contract the agent tried his utmost best to convince me that 495 is the best the client can do (I wanted 500). I have already been through the interviews and I knew that my skillset was a perfect match. I smelt bulltulip so I called him on it and said that I cannot accept a lower rate than what I have asked for. He huffed and puffed about his manager not allowing him to stretch any further than 495 but after I thanked him for the opportunity and said my goodbyes quickly changed his tune and found the missing £5.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostAnd I'd also be tempted to go with this as well unless there is a fixed margin in place. That said my current client expects a ten or so percent cut on the first renewal.
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It has got to the stage now I hardly take any notice of my end date as it tends to either get terminated early because they have run out of money or you are renewed to finish the project.
If you have got nothing else on the go I would be tempted to have a safety first policy but if you aren't that desperate spin the dice.
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostIn my experience, it's nearly always the agent.
Thankfully it's only the first renewal. Pretty smart move to be fair.
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Originally posted by Fraidycat View PostYou can always ask the client what the inclusive rate is the Agent is putting you in at.
You know at the very end of the interview when they ask do you have any questions.
Good chance the interviewer doesn't know, only the hiring manager does, but worth asking anyway just on the off chance he does.
i once caught my all inclusive rate on the CV cover sheet during the interview.
I was at client that accidently sent a charge sheet out for different roles for project resources but another tab had the actual rates for every contractor. It did prove the agent wasn't lying when they say said they were on a fixed margin but did show there wasn't a fixed price per role ie across all PM's. Proper screw up for sure.
I've also heard and seem myself where clients leave the finacials for contractors on a printer but with the advent of printanywhere type things that's all in the past now.Last edited by northernladuk; 14 January 2021, 23:31.
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostIn my experience, it's nearly always the agent.
If you are inundated with calls you turn it down, if it's the first real lead in 6 months you agree, and if somewhere inbetween try to split the differenceLast edited by BlasterBates; 14 January 2021, 21:54.
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostYou will never know if it's really the client or the agent pushing the rate down, but mainly it's the client..
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You will never know if it's really the client or the agent pushing the rate down, but mainly it's the client. There's no point in the agent negotiating a rate and then renegotiating 2 days later before the interview, he may as well begin at the lower rate. PM's are very often pushed by the purchasing dept to cut the rate. That is the probable cause.
In the current market the agent will have a lot of CV's on his desk, I very much doubt he has to use fancy marketing tricks to pull in a contractor.Last edited by BlasterBates; 14 January 2021, 20:18.
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