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[perplexed]

That’s called the public sector

Council or NHS (non nurse or doctor)


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Nah, the one you want is Consultant.

Farm work off on junior doctors, turn up 45 minutes late because you want to drive your daughter to work ( wife's consultant did that all the time ), be director of software firm that gets work with local trust with no tendering, spend only half the week on NHS duties whilst doing more lucrative private work, oh and tell your patients they can wait 9 months NHS or pay to see you in 2 weeks...

[GhostofTarbera]

Amazing advice and in particular point 1 - Basically the dream is to get paid for nothing so joining a poor company on a nice salary would be great and then just coast along

That’s called the public sector

Council or NHS (non nurse or doctor)


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[fidot]

Chances of getting perm gig with a week's notice? None.

My experience is different. The last 2 perm jobs both had one week notice period either way, during the probation period of 6 months.

[NowPermOutsideUK]

There are two approaches to going permie.
1. Recognise you're a small cog and no one cares, and exploit the hell out of the fact that it's really hard to sack anyone. Enjoy your sick leave, paid holidays, training (if you get any), and generally goofing off. It helps if you're very smart and capable and you work in a low achieving company, since you'll get the work you actually need to do within a couple of hours each day, if that. The rest of the time you can enjoy learning how to do the Listener crossword for example.
2. Only work for a company where you know the directors personally, and have been working with them on and off for a few years, and know that they need you're skills, reward appropriately and they don't treat anyone in the company like drones.

TL;DR - pick where you work. Not all permie jobs are the same.

Amazing advice and in particular point 1 - Basically the dream is to get paid for nothing so joining a poor company on a nice salary would be great and then just coast along

[LondonManc]

some so-called contractors appear to need help tying sholaces.

INKSPE

[BR14]

some so-called contractors appear to need help tying sholaces.

[SussexSeagull]

There must be good and bad permanent jobs as much as there are good and bad contracts. At least when a project gets pulled or descoped at the drop of a hat they have to find you something to do and pay you.

[LondonManc]

There are two approaches to going permie.
1. Recognise you're a small cog and no one cares, and exploit the hell out of the fact that it's really hard to sack anyone. Enjoy your sick leave, paid holidays, training (if you get any), and generally goofing off. It helps if you're very smart and capable and you work in a low achieving company, since you'll get the work you actually need to do within a couple of hours each day, if that. The rest of the time you can enjoy learning how to do the Listener crossword for example.
2. Only work for a company where you know the directors personally, and have been working with them on and off for a few years, and know that they need you're skills, reward appropriately and they don't treat anyone in the company like drones.

TL;DR - pick where you work. Not all permie jobs are the same.

Agreed.

There are good and bad in permie and contract roles. If you go in with a negative mindset it's a good bet you'll not enjoy it, whether it be perm, a lower-paid contract or whatever.

[Paralytic]

There are two approaches to going permie.
1. Recognise you're a small cog and no one cares, and exploit the hell out of the fact that it's really hard to sack anyone. Enjoy your sick leave, paid holidays, training (if you get any), and generally goofing off. It helps if you're very smart and capable and you work in a low achieving company, since you'll get the work you actually need to do within a couple of hours each day, if that. The rest of the time you can enjoy learning how to do the Listener crossword for example.
2. Only work for a company where you know the directors personally, and have been working with them on and off for a few years, and know that they need you're skills, reward appropriately and they don't treat anyone in the company like drones.

TL;DR - pick where you work. Not all permie jobs are the same.

+1

I've done both contractor and permie jobs and can't say I've found the culture/enjoyment much different. Accept each for what they are - they both have benefits and downsides and what's right for you now might not be right for you next year, or for someone else now.

[NotAllThere]

There are two approaches to going permie.
1. Recognise you're a small cog and no one cares, and exploit the hell out of the fact that it's really hard to sack anyone. Enjoy your sick leave, paid holidays, training (if you get any), and generally goofing off. It helps if you're very smart and capable and you work in a low achieving company, since you'll get the work you actually need to do within a couple of hours each day, if that. The rest of the time you can enjoy learning how to do the Listener crossword for example.
2. Only work for a company where you know the directors personally, and have been working with them on and off for a few years, and know that they need you're skills, reward appropriately and they don't treat anyone in the company like drones.

TL;DR - pick where you work. Not all permie jobs are the same.

[ladymuck]

Struggling to fathom what it is you're asking.

[ApeShape]

Yes it has so try using the Google search method for anything you need to know.

A search? What's that...

And I think you've got a poor attitude to all this. Perm isn't all that bad and it's certainly not humiliating to go back to it. Millions are perm, have great lives and are happy. If you are going to go in to it with that attitude it's not going to work for you.

Ay? You sure you're not on the permanentuk.com forum? Totally forgetting the day rate earnings here, my experience working as a contractor was simply all-round superior than when I was a lowly, worthless permanent slave (there's some troll bait for you, enjoy )

[GigiBronz]

And I think you've got a poor attitude to all this. Perm isn't all that bad and it's certainly not humiliating to go back to it. Millions are perm, have great lives and are happy. If you are going to go in to it with that attitude it's not going to work for you.

Some people might struggle with the perm ideology and they were just getting by as contractors. If it works for the majority of the population I think it is a bad example.
Majority of the population are functioning idiots.

Perm life is about control, embracing the ideology and pretending to be happy. It's about being covered in menial talks while pretending to find fulfilment. I often make the comparison of spinning the hamster wheel since a lot of the roles lack purpose and you could even question that what you do serves the world any good. For some it is soul crushing.

But depends a lot on the place where you end up. They say about prison that, that the most destructive part is not being confined. It is being confined with convicts and what solitude and boredom brings out in them...

[northernladuk]

Yes it has so try using the Google search method for anything you need to know.

(keywords) site:contractoruk.com/forums

And I think you've got a poor attitude to all this. Perm isn't all that bad and it's certainly not humiliating to go back to it. Millions are perm, have great lives and are happy. If you are going to go in to it with that attitude it's not going to work for you.

Chances of getting perm gig with a week's notice? None.

[WTFH]

Nothing wrong except people are expecting 600 per day and now talking about 70k perm and thats a steep drop especially after tax

Except £600 per day is only £600 per day if you have a contract, and £70k is only £70k if it's offered.

Either hold off for something that might materialise, or negotiate based on what is offered.

If you've enough in a warchest to turn down work, waiting for better, then do that. If you're not comfortable doing that, then you may need to rethink.