Reply to: Mixing contracts (Inside & outside IR35 in the same time)

[eek]

It probably depends on whether their approach to IR35 is

"We own you, and all of your time, for a reason"

or

"Sigh, Inside IR35 just to be safe""

Problem with that argument is that a lot of people believe 1 is true for outside IR35 work. And, as it wouldn't be the sole deciding factor in a tribunal, it is perfectly possible for a client to think the hours between 9 to 5 belong to them.

[PerfectStorm]

It probably depends on whether their approach to IR35 is

"We own you, and all of your time, for a reason"

or

"Sigh, Inside IR35 just to be safe""

[ensignia]

Been done to death on here.

Some will say don't do it because supposedly you're an employee and you're being paid for your time (despite contradicting themselves in other posts), others will say crack on.

Personally, I've been working with multiple clients at the same time - mostly outside, some inside - and apart from a few tricky moments it's been fine. Just stay on top of things and you'll be ok.

[malvolio]

Hi, I’m in a similar situation. Would like to know if it is even legally allowed to do both Inside and Outside IR35 contracts at the same time? Any info is much appreciated. Thank you!

Legally it's possible, if the inside contract doesn't bar you from taking on other work.

Logistically it might all get very messy... For example, you can't book the same time to both "clients".

Depends to some extent on what work the two contracts are for.

[northernladuk]

Hi, I’m in a similar situation. Would like to know if it is even legally allowed to do both Inside and Outside IR35 contracts at the same time? Any info is much appreciated. Thank you!

Surely the answer to your question is in this thread? Did you not read it? I'm sure the 2nd post answered it for you.

Is it physically possible. I doubt it. Your inside gig for sure will want you 7 hours a day so doing the outside work on the inside clients time is a no no. I'd expect the outside gig also has time contraints so double no.

[eek]

Hi, I’m in a similar situation. Would like to know if it is even legally allowed to do both Inside and Outside IR35 contracts at the same time? Any info is much appreciated. Thank you!

Perfectly legal but it depends on the t&cs of your contracts especially the inside one.

[msub]

Hi, I’m in a similar situation. Would like to know if it is even legally allowed to do both Inside and Outside IR35 contracts at the same time? Any info is much appreciated. Thank you!

[Michail]

Indeed. If private sector it can be run by LTD right now, but as you say, the agency may well not like it. Hence why I said the OP needs to know who's doing the deductions.

Still no idea... Will probably find out soon... But i have a hunch that they wont like it as they are an Indian recruited, like Avance etc, that want you locked into their umbrella system so they can pay you late and suckle as much they can out from you

[Lance]

It won't and can't be your limited Company doing PAYE deductions for a Public Sector IR35 contract - your limited company can do those deductions until March for Private Sector IR35 contracts - I suspect however that the Agency won't want you to do that.

Indeed. If private sector it can be run by LTD right now, but as you say, the agency may well not like it. Hence why I said the OP needs to know who's doing the deductions.

[eek]

that's up to you. You can run inside work through a LTD. As long as you can get paid that way. But as the tax may already have been deducted it's an overhead. If it's not deducted at source then your LTD may be cheaper than an umbrella.
Check with your accountant though around the pension payments.
You also need to know what happens with the PAYE deductions. Who's doing them? The agency, an umbrella, or your LTD.

It won't and can't be your limited Company doing PAYE deductions for a Public Sector IR35 contract - your limited company can do those deductions until March for Private Sector IR35 contracts - I suspect however that the Agency won't want you to do that.

[Lance]

Cool..

If it is inside, i dont understand the reason why i have to go through an umbrella as my accounting software has actually got IR35 provision so it calculates everything properly.

that's up to you. You can run inside work through a LTD. As long as you can get paid that way. But as the tax may already have been deducted it's an overhead. If it's not deducted at source then your LTD may be cheaper than an umbrella.
Check with your accountant though around the pension payments.
You also need to know what happens with the PAYE deductions. Who's doing them? The agency, an umbrella, or your LTD.

[Michail]

yes you can.
Outside run as normal.
Inside you can run through the company or an umbrella. Your accountant will be able to advise on how with your LTD.
But you'd probably be as good to do it through an umbrella who'll let you pay huge amounts into a personal pension.

Cool..

If it is inside, i dont understand the reason why i have to go through an umbrella as my accounting software has actually got IR35 provision so it calculates everything properly.

[Michail]

Inform your accoutant even if you go through a brolly for the inside portion. He is likely to advise you stop paying yourself through the LTD and other tax saving stuff.

Good call actually!

[northernladuk]

Inform your accoutant even if you go through a brolly for the inside portion. He is likely to advise you stop paying yourself through the LTD and other tax saving stuff.

[Lance]

yes you can.
Outside run as normal.
Inside you can run through the company or an umbrella. Your accountant will be able to advise on how with your LTD.
But you'd probably be as good to do it through an umbrella who'll let you pay huge amounts into a personal pension.