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Previously on "Contracts with NHS have always been crap but not this bad!"
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Good luck with that.
Fair play to 'them' (who's Them?) for looking to cough up.
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2 weeks in and they want to start paying me, we'll see how much and for how long next.
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostJust looking at a US org chart (not a bank)... a Director is level 6.
1. President/CEO
2. Executive Vice President
3. Senior Vice President
4. Vice President
5. Senior Director
6. Director
7. Senior Manager
8. Manager
9. Senior Analyst/Developer/Support
10. Analyst/Developer/Support
11. Junior Analyst/Developer/Support
(12. Intern)Originally posted by eek View PostSo you are basically at director before you start looking at jobs that included actually management beyond being a Team Lead...
My current client is a London council. The CIO is at Assistant Director level. All the other Assistant Directors report into the Executive Directors which makes up most of the equivalent of the Board.
I could never understand American job grades, I've known people who claimed to be at VP level in investment banking who seemed barely past managing a few BAs.
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Originally posted by darmstadt View PostMy business cards from the USA firm I work for have me down as Managing Director, There are only 2 people above me, one is 'Principal' and the other is 'Chief Technology Officer' so maybe not a typical USA company...
MD is most industries is same as ceo or reporting directly into ceo if they have both.
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I seem to remember a lot of Directors in a company I used to work for suddenly becoming Vice Presidents when they started going to conferences in America as it got them better hotel rooms!
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostJust looking at a US org chart (not a bank)... a Director is level 6.
1. President/CEO
2. Executive Vice President
3. Senior Vice President
4. Vice President
5. Senior Director
6. Director
7. Senior Manager
8. Manager
9. Senior Analyst/Developer/Support
10. Analyst/Developer/Support
11. Junior Analyst/Developer/Support
(12. Intern)
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Originally posted by simes View PostThankfully, the VSO, and the countless other organisations who organise such, seem to have enough people who think otherwise for them to remain in operation.
To each their own. But for my own, if I had done enough, and got enough, then if any of my skills could be put to use somewhere without funding, then I am up for it.
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Originally posted by eek View PostSo you are basically at director before you start looking at jobs that included actually management beyond being a Team Lead...
And most levels below director, the difference is either length of service or salary, very little difference in actual day-to-day work.
There are people with the title "Senior Manager" or "Manager" and they don't actually manage anyone.
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostJust looking at a US org chart (not a bank)... a Director is level 6.
1. President/CEO
2. Executive Vice President
3. Senior Vice President
4. Vice President
5. Senior Director
6. Director
7. Senior Manager
8. Manager
9. Senior Analyst/Developer/Support
10. Analyst/Developer/Support
11. Junior Analyst/Developer/Support
(12. Intern)
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Originally posted by eek View PostWhy? In your typical US investment bank job title inflation probably makes that middle manager an Executive Senior Vice President.
1. President/CEO
2. Executive Vice President
3. Senior Vice President
4. Vice President
5. Senior Director
6. Director
7. Senior Manager
8. Manager
9. Senior Analyst/Developer/Support
10. Analyst/Developer/Support
11. Junior Analyst/Developer/Support
(12. Intern)
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Originally posted by edison View PostTrue, but my example of an Assistant Director is surely a fair bit above what most people think of as a middle manager?
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostProbably from the Express or Mail. There is a big gap between Assistant Director and an Executive Director. Less so between Assistant Director and a job title that includes Director, but isn't an Executive Director.
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Originally posted by psychocandy View Post
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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View PostI am a left leaning supporter of a well funded at the point of use NHS but I don't think people who have spent years learning skills should be expected or asked to work for free. For no other reason if the NHS start doing it then other worthy organisations will start doing it followed by not so worthy organisations.
It is a terrible precedence.
To each their own. But for my own, if I had done enough, and got enough, then if any of my skills could be put to use somewhere without funding, then I am up for it.
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