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Previously on "Client no notice period"

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  • billybiro
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    Originally posted by WordIsBond View Post
    Exactly, that's really the main thing. With two additional things.

    1. Visibly better. Doesn't help if you are better and no one knows.
    2. 41+% better. Doesn't help to be marginally better if he's a lot cheaper.

    AND....

    If there's things he's good at and things he's not good at, allocate him as much as possible the tasks he's good at, and let them know. 'I've found out his strengths, and I'm using him to get A, B, and C done at a cheaper cost. I don't think he can do D, E, and F, but that's ok, we're getting full benefit out of his lower rate with the jobs I've allocated to him.'

    Help him succeed and take credit for helping him. They don't want prima donna contractors undercutting each other, they want their projects getting done efficiently in both time and money. Make it happen, be a hero, and don't be bragging about it all the time but make sure they hear once or twice how you are making it work.
    Bah.

    You don't allocate work that he can do to enable him to succeed and look good, you allocate work to him that you know he can't do so that he fails miserably (whilst ensuring no one else knows you're doing this, of course). Clients don't want someone who can't cut the mustard no matter how cheap they are. At this point, you stride on in like a white knight to pick up the pieces, ensuring the client is fully aware of how you've bailed them out of a terrible situation. Other contractor gets binned and you get a hearty pat on the back and the knowledge that you've more than earned your rate and that the client now knows exactly which side his bread is buttered on.

    Also, always remember this wisdom:



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  • WLB2018
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    Just crack on with the work you are being asked to do, if they terminate then that's just the life we lead. Just keep your billing up to date

    A termination clause is fine but just remember they can end the contract at any time for any reason.

    Don't worry about what you cannot control and focus on what you can (i.e. the work you are doing).

    That or simply look for another contract and leave.

    WLB

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  • WordIsBond
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    Originally posted by TheCyclingProgrammer View Post
    Make sure you’re better than the other contractor.
    Exactly, that's really the main thing. With two additional things.

    1. Visibly better. Doesn't help if you are better and no one knows.
    2. 41+% better. Doesn't help to be marginally better if he's a lot cheaper.

    AND....

    If there's things he's good at and things he's not good at, allocate him as much as possible the tasks he's good at, and let them know. 'I've found out his strengths, and I'm using him to get A, B, and C done at a cheaper cost. I don't think he can do D, E, and F, but that's ok, we're getting full benefit out of his lower rate with the jobs I've allocated to him.'

    Help him succeed and take credit for helping him. They don't want prima donna contractors undercutting each other, they want their projects getting done efficiently in both time and money. Make it happen, be a hero, and don't be bragging about it all the time but make sure they hear once or twice how you are making it work.

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  • Lance
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    Originally posted by JIG1 View Post

    The client have brought in another contractor doing a similar role to myself, but on a significantly lower rate (c40%).
    how do you know this?
    Is the client paying 40% less for him than you? That's the important one.
    Or is he getting 40% less than you? That's less important and may just be the agency is making more money.

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  • garethevans1986
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    And always have a termination clause for both sides...

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  • simes
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    And make sure your CV and contacts are up to date so you can leap with alacrity upon termination - if it were to happen.

    Good luck.

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  • JIG1
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    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
    You are doing work allocating work. They just ask you to stop doing that so it's very relevant. They could just say don't come in tomorrow and that's it.

    It's likely there will be a clause stating that you only get paid upon receipt of a signed timesheet. You don't work for whatever reason, they dont sign the timesheet and you don't get paid. They could let the contract carry on until the end but you don't get paid another penny. Effectively terminating you on the spot.

    Did you know there was no termination clause in your contract when you signed it.

    Thanks - good point, I didn’t see it like that. Yeah I knew there wasn’t a clause to terminate in there. Guess I assumed it gave me a little more security as it’s a fairly small setup, with a trigger happy CEO.

    Will just get my head down and stop worrying about something which may/may not happen.

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  • TheCyclingProgrammer
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    Make sure you’re better than the other contractor.

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  • northernladuk
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    Originally posted by JIG1 View Post
    Thanks - I was wondering if that may be the case. Although not sure in my case if that is relevant, as I've been brought in to manage the programme, there no specific work as such to allocate me as i'm the one doing the allocating?
    You are doing work allocating work. They just ask you to stop doing that so it's very relevant. They could just say don't come in tomorrow and that's it.

    It's likely there will be a clause stating that you only get paid upon receipt of a signed timesheet. You don't work for whatever reason, they dont sign the timesheet and you don't get paid. They could let the contract carry on until the end but you don't get paid another penny. Effectively terminating you on the spot.

    Did you know there was no termination clause in your contract when you signed it.
    Last edited by northernladuk; 31 July 2018, 22:02.

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  • JIG1
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    They don't give you notice, they just don't allocate any work to you and tell you not to bother coming
    in.

    Keep your head down, keep working, keep billing.
    Thanks - I was wondering if that may be the case. Although not sure in my case if that is relevant, as I've been brought in to manage the programme, there no specific work as such to allocate me as i'm the one doing the allocating?

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  • NotAllThere
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    They don't give you notice, they just don't allocate any work to you and tell you not to bother coming
    in.

    Keep your head down, keep working, keep billing.

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  • JIG1
    started a topic Client no notice period

    Client no notice period

    Hi all,

    Looking for some advice - I've tried searching the forums, there are similar questions, but nothing which quite covers the below.

    The background is that I signed a 6 month contract with a new client, neither party has a termination clause. The client have brought in another contractor doing a similar role to myself, but on a significantly lower rate (c40%). I have a feeling, given the large rate difference, that the client may look to replace me.

    1. Given no notice period - if this was to happen, do they have to honour the original term?
    2. If not, how are they able to get out?
    3. Any advice on how to manage the above (assuming my hunch is correct)?

    Thanks.

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